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    J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/s...04&postcount=9

    See post above, can't reply to that thread so I figured I would ask in this forum.

    My Nand-x just died for no reason - Will still program cool runners, is detected in Windows (even reflashed the hex code on it) just is not detected by Nandpro or any of the tools like Jrunner. (Connected to 3 different Slims, same issue even tried another nand-x cable that was never used - It worked fine last time, then just died) Did not program any coolrunners that were already attached either. Kind of bummed it only made it through like 20 units before dying. BTW anyone know warranty period if purchased from an "authorized dealer"?

    Already ordered a J-R programmer last night... would be really disappointed if writing was as slow as using LPT.

    Can anyone confirm with the J-R programmer they get write speed equal to their Nand-x?

    Thanks
    Last edited by crimpshrine; 19th May 12 at 18:10.

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    As stated the jr programmer is 80% the speed of nand-x

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by hersheys247 View Post
    As stated the jr programmer is 80% the speed of nand-x

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    Funny did not see that listed in the Specs listed:

    Features:
    • Fast NAND Programming
    • Fast XILINX CoolRunner JTAG Programming
    • Compatible with both Phat and Slim
    • Onboard LED's indicate Power & Data
    • Easy Install System
    • Compatible with All NAND-X QSB's
    • Includes Cable For QSB or Wires Install (QSB Sold Separately)
    • Includes Cable For Xilinx CoolRunner JTAG
    • Includes KIOSK option for Remote Reset
    • Built-in Programmer For Future Firmware Upgrades
    • Designed for the latest J-Runner App (Build 270+)
    • Rock Solid Design – Tested by the J-Runner Team
    • Supports New CoolRunner/NAND-X QSB Kits (Solder Separately)
    • Affordable – We Provide You With More For Less !
    • High Quality & Trusted Xecuter Design

    And 80% of Nand-x speed should still be much faster than LPT programming.



    So again I ask, (of anyone that actually has a J-R programmer can answer) is it as slow writing as LPT?



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    Quote Originally Posted by crimpshrine View Post
    Funny did not see that listed in the Specs listed:

    Features:
    • Fast NAND Programming
    • Fast XILINX CoolRunner JTAG Programming
    • Compatible with both Phat and Slim
    • Onboard LED's indicate Power & Data
    • Easy Install System
    • Compatible with All NAND-X QSB's
    • Includes Cable For QSB or Wires Install (QSB Sold Separately)
    • Includes Cable For Xilinx CoolRunner JTAG
    • Includes KIOSK option for Remote Reset
    • Built-in Programmer For Future Firmware Upgrades
    • Designed for the latest J-Runner App (Build 270+)
    • Rock Solid Design – Tested by the J-Runner Team
    • Supports New CoolRunner/NAND-X QSB Kits (Solder Separately)
    • Affordable – We Provide You With More For Less !
    • High Quality & Trusted Xecuter Design

    And 80% of Nand-x speed should still be much faster than LPT programming
    .


    So again I ask, (of anyone that actually has a J-R programmer can answer) is it as slow writing as LPT?



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    It's right there!!!!!!

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    Last edited by hersheys247; 19th May 12 at 18:23.

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by hersheys247 View Post
    It's right there!!!!!!

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    What are you talking about? It's not listed in the specs.

    The text you bolded WAS WHAT I TYPED. Notice there was no bullet point next to that??

    Will paste them again without my comment:

    Features:
    • Fast NAND Programming
    • Fast XILINX CoolRunner JTAG Programming
    • Compatible with both Phat and Slim
    • Onboard LED's indicate Power & Data
    • Easy Install System
    • Compatible with All NAND-X QSB's
    • Includes Cable For QSB or Wires Install (QSB Sold Separately)
    • Includes Cable For Xilinx CoolRunner JTAG
    • Includes KIOSK option for Remote Reset
    • Built-in Programmer For Future Firmware Upgrades
    • Designed for the latest J-Runner App (Build 270+)
    • Rock Solid Design – Tested by the J-Runner Team
    • Supports New CoolRunner/NAND-X QSB Kits (Solder Separately)
    • Affordable – We Provide You With More For Less !
    • High Quality & Trusted Xecuter Design



    I don't want this to already get derailed, can people that actually have this device comment please?

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimpshrine View Post
    http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/s...04&postcount=9

    See post above, can't reply to that thread so I figured I would ask in this forum.

    My Nand-x just died for no reason - Will still program cool runners, is detected in Windows (even reflashed the hex code on it) just is not detected by Nandpro or any of the tools like Jrunner. (Connected to 3 different Slims, same issue even tried another nand-x cable that was never used - It worked fine last time, then just died) Did not program any coolrunners that were already attached either. Kind of bummed it only made it through like 20 units before dying. BTW anyone know warranty period if purchased from an "authorized dealer"?

    Already ordered a J-R programmer last night... would be really disappointed if writing was as slow as using LPT.

    Can anyone confirm with the J-R programmer they get write speed equal to their Nand-x?

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    no its no where near as slow as LPT
    its faster that original PIC programmers
    takes about 5mins to dump 16mb on mine

    and no-one ever said it was as fast as nand-x - its about half the price!
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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimpshrine View Post
    Funny did not see that listed in the Specs listed:

    Features:
    • Fast NAND Programming
    • Fast XILINX CoolRunner JTAG Programming
    • Compatible with both Phat and Slim
    • Onboard LED's indicate Power & Data
    • Easy Install System
    • Compatible with All NAND-X QSB's
    • Includes Cable For QSB or Wires Install (QSB Sold Separately)
    • Includes Cable For Xilinx CoolRunner JTAG
    • Includes KIOSK option for Remote Reset
    • Built-in Programmer For Future Firmware Upgrades
    • Designed for the latest J-Runner App (Build 270+)
    • Rock Solid Design – Tested by the J-Runner Team
    • Supports New CoolRunner/NAND-X QSB Kits (Solder Separately)
    • Affordable – We Provide You With More For Less !
    • High Quality & Trusted Xecuter Design

    And 80% of Nand-x speed should still be much faster than LPT programming.



    So again I ask, (of anyone that actually has a J-R programmer can answer) is it as slow writing as LPT?



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    Mini fail here dude

    Read what you copied and pasted the first time you listed the specs and it answers your question

    I even underlined it in your post for you


    But back on topic its much much much faster than lpt
    There shouldn't be much difference between it and the original nand-x seems its only 20% slower
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbobjoeyman View Post
    Mini fail here dude

    Read what you copied and pasted the first time you listed the specs and it answers your question

    I even underlined it in your post for you


    But back on topic its much much much faster than lpt
    There shouldn't be much difference between it and the original nand-x seems its only 20% slower
    Yes I have answered it for him already, just seems ignorant to take the answer, maybe this will help,

    I said 80% speed of nand-x, Jimbobjoeyman says its 20% slower than nand-x ..

    Anyway u look at it we have already provided you with the answer either way its still 80% the speed of nand-x or 20% slower. 1+1=2

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    Hence it was aimed at users who wanted a cheaper device, it was built with a budget in mind.

    You get what you pay for, as said if you wanted something faster should of got the NAND-X

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbobjoeyman View Post
    Mini fail here dude

    Read what you copied and pasted the first time you listed the specs and it answers your question

    I even underlined it in your post for you


    But back on topic its much much much faster than lpt
    There shouldn't be much difference between it and the original nand-x seems its only 20% slower
    Not sure why you don't understand this. This is not that complicated. Talk about fail.

    What you underlined is what I said, that IS NOT part of the "specs".

    Look here to see:

    http://team-xecuter.com/xecuter-j-r-...-now-shipping/

    No where on that webpage announcement from Team Xecuter does it say anything about it being slower then the Nand-x. (Where I copied and pasted the specs from)

    Jeez

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveH43 View Post
    no its no where near as slow as LPT
    its faster that original PIC programmers
    takes about 5mins to dump 16mb on mine

    and no-one ever said it was as fast as nand-x - its about half the price!

    Thanks for that, that at least tells me something. (Although my post is really having to do with the WRITE speed of the new programmer)

    What about writing, was that also quick? the post I referenced above, the dude says his is writing as fast as LPT does. That was why I even asked.

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimpshrine View Post
    Not sure why you don't understand this. This is not that complicated. Talk about fail.

    What you underlined is what I said, that IS NOT part of the "specs".

    Look here to see:

    http://team-xecuter.com/xecuter-j-r-...-now-shipping/

    No where on that webpage announcement from Team Xecuter does it say anything about it being slower then the Nand-x. (Where I copied and pasted the specs from)

    Jeez
    Dude it doesn't have to be bullet pointed for it to be a specification.

    If you took two minutes to use the search function you would get the same answer you have gotten over and over.

    You answered your own question when you posted the specs of it. Read your post.

    Ubergeek and xecuter have both posted numerous times about the speed of the jr runner in comparison to the NAND x.
    And you have been told multiple times on this thread.

    No need to keep going around in circles
    Last edited by Jimbobjoeyman; 19th May 12 at 23:06.

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbobjoeyman View Post
    Dude it doesn't have to be bullet pointed for it to be a specification.

    If you took two minutes to use the search function you would get the same answer you have gotten over and over.

    You answered your own question when you posted the specs of it. Read your post.

    Ubergeek and xecuter have both posted numerous times about the speed of the jr runner in comparison to the NAND x.
    And you have been told multiple times on this thread.

    No need to keep going around in circles
    I am not going round in circles. If you read my first post in this thread, I asked if this new programmer is just as slow IN WRITING the nand as LPT. Another posting (which I linked to) the guy says he has both the Nand-x and the new JR programmer and says it is just as slow in writing the NAND as an LPT programmer.

    I bought the J-R programmer based on Their specs listed on their site, and anywhere you can buy it. The specs make it sound as if it is fast in every way. No where in the specs does it say that it is less capable compared to the Nand-X.

    Again my question related to its write performance.

    The only reason this thread got off course is because someone could not differentiate between a Team Xecuter published spec and what I typed in my message.

    I only asked because I wanted to see if poor write performance was common with the JR programmer.

    And I did search for jr programmer write performance.

    Did not come up with anything in the search here.

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    A 5 second search turned this up http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85707

    All of the released specs are on it.

    Read and write times are going to be pretty much the exact same as they are going through the exact same spi interface.
    The only thing that could possibly influence write times being really long is if your PC is having performance problems
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    Well we are not pulling shit out of our ass. This has been mentioned numerous times by the developers and we are just passing the message onto you. We read what they wrote, took it as that because they are the ones that informed us of the speeds, why can't you.

    Compared to LPT write and read, JR programer blows it away, compared to nandx it is only 80% as fast as it.,

    Bazinga!

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    80% was also corrected as it isn't *that* fast on *lots* of setups.

    That aside, for the money it seems a great option, if you dont need the versatility or rely on the speed of the nandx, it's a great purchase.

    I have the Olimex that the Nand-X is based upon and I never use it, havent since I first got my dev Nand-X.

    JR Programmer is a more affordable and equally as compatible (currently) as the Nand-X
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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jimbobjoeyman View Post
    A 5 second search turned this up http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85707

    All of the released specs are on it.

    Read and write times are going to be pretty much the exact same as they are going through the exact same spi interface.
    The only thing that could possibly influence write times being really long is if your PC is having performance problems

    That's a link to an annoucment that includes the EXACT same specs I have been posting.. But does not say anything in the "Specs" about slow write performance. I did find someone asking about SPI making things slower than the Nand-X but I do not understand that.

    Do people just post here to increase their post counts or something?

    If you actually read my first post in this thread, I link to someone who has both the NAND-X and the new JR programmer and says the JR programmer writes as slow as LPT does. This is a guy who is obviously using the 2 different products under the same scenario.

    That was the whole reason I asked.

    Can we just limit this to people answering that actually have the JR programmer, and can comment on the write performance please???

    If anyone has the JR programmer, is it as slow as LPT writing for you? If it is, then it tells me what I wanted to know.

    I know it comes close to the read performance. I am just looking to find out about write performance.

    THANKS!

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimpshrine View Post
    Thanks for that, that at least tells me something. (Although my post is really having to do with the WRITE speed of the new programmer)

    What about writing, was that also quick? the post I referenced above, the dude says his is writing as fast as LPT does. That was why I even asked.

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    cant say i have noticed anything diff between read and write speed!
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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by BraveH43 View Post
    cant say i have noticed anything diff between read and write speed!

    GREAT! Thanks!!!

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    Re: J-R programmer is it really that slow at writing?

    Quote Originally Posted by crimpshrine View Post

    If anyone has the JR programmer, is it as slow as LPT writing for you? If it is, then it tells me what I wanted to know.

    I know it comes close to the read performance. I am just looking to find out about write performance.

    THANKS!
    Okay after seeing a thread claiming similar write speed to what your asking about!

    we have done some fairly extensive testing and actually found 1 single laptop that produced a hellishly slow write speed (in comparison to its read speed).

    The next version of J-Runner (276) has a setting to deal with these rare setups! It was found the that the USB was bottlenecking and causing a lag on this particular system. the setting alters the timing and allows the device to operate normally.

    expect a J-Runner update soon.
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