2.6ce FRAGing On Boot-up

xbox_noob77

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Hi all, I successfully installed modded my Xbox:

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Xbox 1.0 (connected to Xbox branded power surge protector)
Thomson DVD-Drive
Xecuter 2.6CE chip
Xapt3r solderless adapter
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Has been working fine for over a week now, but now when booting with chip enabled, it powers on and off twice before it starts FRAGing, no error on screen, in fact no display at all (blank screen).

It does boot fine when chip disabled, but asks for current date/time each time.

I have followed Martin C's (X2.6CE Troubleshooting Guide) and I have checked the switches are set correctly:

CHIP ENABLED = ON
FLASH PROTECT = ON
BANK = 1


Please help. Any ideas??

Thanks
Scott
 

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Since you're using the Xapt3r, it may be you've got a bad connection on one of the LPC points. Remove the adaptor and give them a clean with either some rubbing alcohol or some tape head cleaner on a cotton bud - a stiff pencil eraser also works well.

BTW, it's asking for the date/time because the FRAG is resetting the onboard clock.

Martin
 

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Thanks Martin! I'll try that.

I forgot to mention the trouble I had installing the Xapt3er in the 1st place. The 'holes' on the XBOX motherboard, where the Xapt3r slots in, were filled with a silver substance (I think it is solder). I followed the install guide which advised to make holes using a sharp knife, which I did & eventually got the Xapt3er to sit in place and connect the X2.6CE on top. Everything has worked fine for over a week so I thought I had cracked it, but it appears not so.

When I get inside the box again, do you recommend I try to make the holes larger with a sharp knife or not plz?

Thx
Scott
 

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I would advise getting a soldering iron and gently touching each point to level the solder within. Using a sharp knife is not an option, since you will potentially damage the point.

Martin
 

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Ah! I see! The Xapt3r is only solderless, if the holes on my XBOX motherboard were not filled in with solder? In normal cases, these holes would be actual holes and allow the Xapt3r to just slot in place. However, in my case, I need to use a soldering iron to 'solder out' (excuse the amateur phrase) the solder within the holes to allow the Xapt3r to slot in place easily and firmly. I didn't expect my XBOX motherboard to be different.

I have never soldered before and don't own a soldering iron, hence buying a Xapt3r solderless adapter. Is this easy to do? Are soldering irons expensive? Do you have any instructions on what I need to do please?

Thanks again
Scott
 

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In laymens terms, you're looking to flatten the solder.

At the moment, you may have peaks ( ^ ) on some of the LPC points, which make the pogo pins real hard to get a good connection. If you can flatten these (or better still, cause a 'dish') it gives the pogos a nice spot to sit in. All you're needing to do is heat the solder points and it should do this for you. You'll also burn out any oxides in the solder, making it more conductive.

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I have checked the connections and all ok except the Xapt3r, which clicks in and out of the holes when I press on it. I have tightened the screw as much as it will go before losing thread and becoming loose, but now the screw won't hold the Xapt3r in place at all!!!! Aaarrrrgggghhh!!!! I understand the design of the motherboard and Xapt3r but a screw on either side of the Xapt3r would have been ideal.

Can anyone recommend a particular solder iron for this purpose and/or a tutorial on how to do the job in hand please? :eek:

Thanks
Scott
 

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Soldering iron for desoldering & desoldering braid

Are the following equipment suitable for desoldering the header holes on my Xbox v1.0 motherboard to allow the Xapt3r solderless adapter to sit firmly in place please?:-

15W Miniature Soldering Iron Type
A 15W miniature 230Vac soldering iron which has a heating element contained in a stainless steel shaft, such that the heat is transferred to the bit with maximum efficiency.
Ideal for light duty and PCB soldering jobs where not too much heat is required

Desoldering Braid
Manufacturer: Servisol
•Free from Colophony Rosin, a known respiratory sensitiser
•Improved health and safety benefits
•Uses a `No-Clean` flux
•Faster desoldering
•Excellent thermal conductivity
A flux-impregnated, copper braid which speedily removes unwanted solder from a joint. Place the cold braid end on the solder that is to be removed. Place the hot soldering iron tip on top of the braid. Remove the braid and the hot iron at the same time. Cut off the end that contains the unwanted solder. The temperature of the soldering iron bit must be sufficient to liquify the cold solder efficiently. The braids come in 1.5m lengths of three different widths.
 

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Martin C said:
All looks good - make sure you get some solder too as you may need to add a little to increase conductivity.

Martin
Martin, I'm hoping I won't need to. Using a soldering iron & desoldering braid to remove the solder from the header holes will be an achievement in its own right, especially for a complete noob such as myself!

Surely, just creating the holes will be enough to allow the Xapt3r solderless adapter to simply slot into the header holes to allow me to secure in place with the screw?? :(
 

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When you're using the braid, you may find that it solders itself to the very solder you're trying to remove and not matter how much you try the iron won't melt the solder underneath.

This is where you apply a little solder to the TOP side of the braid and touch again with the iron. The braid should then come away properly.

Martin
 

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Ok, thanks for the info.

I have since bought:

Soldering Iron Kit SK5
Manufacturer: Antex
An attractive presentation kit that makes the perfect present for the beginner. A superb CS 18W soldering iron and stand ST6 neatly packaged with full instructions on how to use the iron, as well as some general hints on soldering.

It comes with Desolder Pump, Lead free solder, cutters & pliers.

A friend at work recommended using a desolder pump instead of desolder braid for a novice like me, because it's easier and less can go wrong. I hope he's right.

These are the steps I think I should be taking:
1) Heat up soldering iron for a few minutes
2) Place/rest soldering iron tip on one of the header holes for 5 seconds until the solder liquifies
3) Use the desolder pump to suck up the liquid solder
4) Repeat steps 1-3 for each header hole

How far down does the solder go? Just a 1mm or 2mm or through to the other side of the motherboard?

Let me know if I am doing something wrong please.
 

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I would do this:

Remove the board and stand it vertically, supported at the bottom. Get your soldering iron and desolder pump. place the tip of the pump over an LPC hole on one side and use the iron to melt the solder on the other side. Activate the pump and it'll come out in one go.

Martin
 

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...then leave it to cool/set and simply insert Xapt3r/wire/X2.6CE chip/DVD Drive/Hard drive as normal and turn it on?
 

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...if I have the motherboard stood vertically, will the liquified solder not drip down the motherboard and potentially destroy any other components?
 

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There isn't enough solder in the holes to run down the board. Surface tension will hold it in the hole until you draw it out with the pump. When desoldering the holes be careful not to leave the iron on the point for too long. You have a low wattage iron which is good for small component work, but it is still possible to burn out bits if you keep the heat on for too long. Also, avoid trying to drive the tip though the LPC hole when desoldering. It's ok if it does push through while you are working but you don't want to force it. Too much pressure may squeeze the LPC hole ring onto the iron tip and then it could pull off on removal.

Does the stand that came with your iron have a sponge pad? Some do, and this is a great item to have. When you are getting ready to work with the iron be sure to give it time to warm up. If you try working with the iron before it reaches optimal temperature things will just be difficult. Once heated you'll want to put a little bit of solder on the tip of the iron to help the heat conduct. You really don't need much, and if the tip is good it should flow onto it rather than create a ball that looks like it could roll off. The tip of the iron should be cleaned every now and then, this is where the sponge I mentioned comes in. You want the sponge to be damp, but not so wet that it would leave water in your hand if you rested it there for a moment. When putting the iron back in the stand brush the tip on the sponge. You should have a nice silver shine on the tip when you put the iron aside. This cleaning will help keep the iron in a condition where it will properly hold solder and conduct heat. If you start getting black crud on the tip you may need to replace it. I've got a real nice iron that has lasted me for 15 years now on the same tip. Proper care and cleaning when being used has kept it this way. (This isn't the iron I use to mod Xboxes. This is a variable temp high wattage unit with a big screwdriver tip that I had initially purchased it to assemble RC car battery packs. Imagine trying to solder something that looks like desoldering braid to the ends of a C cell battery. You need a lot of heat and you need it to transfer quickly.)

A flux pen will only help solder to flow between components. For desoldering (especially if you're using a pump) I don't know if there will be any benefit to applying flux.

FYI, all 1.0 Xbox units had the LPC holes filled in. I had done the same procedure Martin recommended to clear my LPC out. Board supported on end, iron on one side pump on the other. Worked pretty well. I had to do this because I was hell bent on installing via pin header. (While the wire install would have been easier I'm still happy with the header.) With the solderless adapters you really shouldn't need to clean out the holes. With or without solder they should work. The problem that the solder throws into the mix is that it doesn't let the pins drop down into the holes and make contact with the board traces themselves. The pins bottom out on the solder which tends to oxidize more quickly than a bare point on the board would. A good cleaning as Martin had recommended earlier, or alternately I've seen a pencil eraser suggested, will usually clean this up.

-Whoopin
 

xbox_noob77

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Thanks Whoopin! Very helpful, informative post. :)

I've got myself in a decision dilemna now... should I...

1) Do a Wire Install, or...

2) Desolder the LPC (header) holes and install the Xapt3r and X2.6CE chip?

Which is easiest/better for the complete soldering novice please?