Martin C
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Any headway with the falcon rgh2?
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So just the blue's wire placement can cause the freezing? Which placement would be the best or should I find it my self?
bernzburnz
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Finally got my caps in from ebay. After messing about with my falcon this is what worked on this motherboard.
Falcon RGH2 (Original file) 3.3K Ohm Resistor W/680pf on CPU_RST point with slim CPU_RST wire. Boot times were from 30 seconds to just over a minute consistently, thanks Martin.
Tried default CPU_RST, Coax, Coax shielded, all timing files, new Falcon timing file with no caps etc and various lengths. The slim cable was my best results. Will be trying diff combos but overall boot times are acceptable.
Falcon RGH2 (Original file) 3.3K Ohm Resistor W/680pf on CPU_RST point with slim CPU_RST wire. Boot times were from 30 seconds to just over a minute consistently, thanks Martin.
Tried default CPU_RST, Coax, Coax shielded, all timing files, new Falcon timing file with no caps etc and various lengths. The slim cable was my best results. Will be trying diff combos but overall boot times are acceptable.
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bernzburnz
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Didn't get to that yet. Will report back after loading up some games. On average how long does it take for your Falcon to freeze up on you?
Sometimes even the sound lags and games work for about 5 mins. It's really frustrating, as I know these problems occurs just on rgh 2.0 falcons, other motherboards works fine. Hope yours Falcon will do better, it maybe would even lead everyone to proper way to rgh falcon with newer dash. I know that every console needs different rgh installment, but maybe the way you did your rgh would work for other people too 
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Is the .xsvf Martin C posted days ago already available?
The link previusly posted here is not working anymore
The link previusly posted here is not working anymore
It is included in J-RunnerIs the .xsvf Martin C posted days ago already available?
The link previusly posted here is not working anymore
Martin C
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It's been temporarily removed. I'll see about a re-upload later tonight after I've spoken to the RGH2 dev guys. We've seen good things come out of the new timing file as well as my findings on cap/resistor combos (soon to be available as an addon - CPU RESET CLEANER) so a good case for a proper release.Is the .xsvf Martin C posted days ago already available?
The link previusly posted here is not working anymore
Just thought I'd give my results.
My Falcon CB 5773 on 14719 dash did not want to boot into XELL at all. Tried all cable placements and CR timing files.
Tried the resistor and cap solution (3.3k and 470pf cap) and I was able to boot
Timing File - Experimental
Times are: 20sec,30sec,1min,40sec,15sec
I am using the DSC grounded, placed above the white fan shroud.
I cut the DSC in half and placed my 3.3k and 470pf cap right in the middle and covered it in electric tape. It's not pretty but it's functional.
Did not try other resistor and cap combo or other timing files as I am happy enough with the results. Going from nothing to 1min boots is not bad.
My Falcon CB 5773 on 14719 dash did not want to boot into XELL at all. Tried all cable placements and CR timing files.
Tried the resistor and cap solution (3.3k and 470pf cap) and I was able to boot
Timing File - Experimental
Times are: 20sec,30sec,1min,40sec,15sec
I am using the DSC grounded, placed above the white fan shroud.
I cut the DSC in half and placed my 3.3k and 470pf cap right in the middle and covered it in electric tape. It's not pretty but it's functional.
Did not try other resistor and cap combo or other timing files as I am happy enough with the results. Going from nothing to 1min boots is not bad.
I've been playing all day with 1K ohm, 2 K ohm, 3.3K ohm, 10K ohm resistors in combination with a 470pf capacitor, I got a little better boot times, but they were still inconsistent, the 10K ohm, with cap in parallel, using shielded UNGROUNDED cable gave me the best boot times >30 seconds, sometimes instant. Boot times are still sporadic, I'm interested in giving the cleaner a try as it has the other cap values too, they 470pf were the only ones I could find in store at my local radio shack. if I grounded the cable boot times = NEVER I left the console on for a couple of hours as I ran around town today with the capacitors, regardless of cap or resistor rating the console would not boot till I removed the ground cable, but the shielded cable helped to make boot times a little more consistent. It WILL boot in under 3 min, I'd just like to get it a little closer to the 1 min mark.
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ohh I'm running timing file B, experimental would also boot, set to phat
A, and C took the longest for my console to glitch, set on phat.
A and C on slim seemed it would not boot, D on Slim is the only way it would boot.
Experimental and B on Slim yielded no improvements.
EDIT
Still on the B timing file, Shielded cable, not grounded, using 680pf in parallel with 33ohm resistor keeps MOST of my boot times under 45 seconds
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ohh I'm running timing file B, experimental would also boot, set to phat
A, and C took the longest for my console to glitch, set on phat.
A and C on slim seemed it would not boot, D on Slim is the only way it would boot.
Experimental and B on Slim yielded no improvements.
EDIT
Still on the B timing file, Shielded cable, not grounded, using 680pf in parallel with 33ohm resistor keeps MOST of my boot times under 45 seconds
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Man these falcons on rgh2 are almost impossible. I've read through this whole thread, tried 1,2,3.3k, 470, 680 caps, different cables, on top, under board, cap open/closed, all the variations of 1-2,2-3 - the swine refuses to glitch!
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Hopefully with will stop the insanity and help me get some sleep
Update: Got it from the drop box link - going to try it out tonight and will let you know how it goes.
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Please please please
Hopefully with will stop the insanity and help me get some sleep Update: Got it from the drop box link - going to try it out tonight and will let you know how it goes.
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just finished rgh2 a falcon. i am using martin c method (Thanks martin c ) with 470pf and 3.3kohm but i soldered it on xbox motherboard point instead of on coolrunner (i get better results with this setting) with 25cm awg28 runs above the fan cover. These are my boot speed results with different xsvf:
-A 2m, 40s, 1m30s
-B 30s, 35s, 1m35s, 3m, 20s, 2m10s, 40s, 1m10s, 2m30s
-C stops glitching after 3m
-D 2m10s, no start after 5m
-experimental 5s, 15s, 35s, 2m30s, 2m20s, 3m20s, 25s, 5s, 10s, 25s, 1m25s, 20s
-experimental v2 from martin c no start after 5m
These results are taken with motherboard covered in the steel cage top and bottom and without dvd drive
B and experimental seems to work best for rgh2 falcon at least in my case. A looks promising but i only did 3 boot tests. Experimental one should do me well for the time being and it didnt crashed while playing games although i only played for 20 minutes. gonna test with xecuter cleaner when it is out and hopefully coolrunner 3 will be phat compatible and also brings better boot times like in slim.
) with 470pf and 3.3kohm but i soldered it on xbox motherboard point instead of on coolrunner (i get better results with this setting) with 25cm awg28 runs above the fan cover. These are my boot speed results with different xsvf:-A 2m, 40s, 1m30s
-B 30s, 35s, 1m35s, 3m, 20s, 2m10s, 40s, 1m10s, 2m30s
-C stops glitching after 3m
-D 2m10s, no start after 5m
-experimental 5s, 15s, 35s, 2m30s, 2m20s, 3m20s, 25s, 5s, 10s, 25s, 1m25s, 20s
-experimental v2 from martin c no start after 5m
These results are taken with motherboard covered in the steel cage top and bottom and without dvd drive
B and experimental seems to work best for rgh2 falcon at least in my case. A looks promising but i only did 3 boot tests. Experimental one should do me well for the time being and it didnt crashed while playing games although i only played for 20 minutes. gonna test with xecuter cleaner when it is out and hopefully coolrunner 3 will be phat compatible and also brings better boot times like in slim.
My story.
After classic installation of RGH2 on Falcon 5773 14719 falconrgh2v2.xsvf boot time was terrible: 34:50, 9:15, 13:55, 4:45, 4:00, 3:30.
I bought a pile of different capacitors and several 3.3 kOhm resistors. 470pf with 3.3kOhm resistors did not improve the situation, even made it worse. Then I added 220pf in parallel to 470 and got noticeably better results. Then I replaced these two capacitors with 1 nf and got 1:07, 2:43, 0:55, 3:35, 0:19, 0.18
Then I decided to try different timing files. Flashed B one. And subjectively it worked even better. When I moved to D xbox started only once and them stopped glitching completely. I soldered in my SPI programmer to make sure that I got RROD 0110. I hate RROD. This is a second time on this board. I unsoldered everything and tried to fix RROD with cheap heat gun. It worked out. I soldered everything back (Coolrunner, SPI programmer) and continued my measurements. J-Runner was updated including .xsvf files. Here are new results:
B: 0:43, 1:27, 0:42, 0:50, 0:35, 1:03, 1:26, 2:30, 1:12, 1:12
Falcon (have no idea which one, today I got falcon_en.xsvf automatically): 1.18, 1.26, 1.12. 0.14, 0.21, 0.21, 0.49, 0.20, 0.57, 0.36
Almost forgot... wires are standard from CoolRunner rev.B package, blue (reset) wire underneath (just like in original manual for RGH1).
After classic installation of RGH2 on Falcon 5773 14719 falconrgh2v2.xsvf boot time was terrible: 34:50, 9:15, 13:55, 4:45, 4:00, 3:30.
I bought a pile of different capacitors and several 3.3 kOhm resistors. 470pf with 3.3kOhm resistors did not improve the situation, even made it worse. Then I added 220pf in parallel to 470 and got noticeably better results. Then I replaced these two capacitors with 1 nf and got 1:07, 2:43, 0:55, 3:35, 0:19, 0.18
Then I decided to try different timing files. Flashed B one. And subjectively it worked even better. When I moved to D xbox started only once and them stopped glitching completely. I soldered in my SPI programmer to make sure that I got RROD 0110. I hate RROD. This is a second time on this board. I unsoldered everything and tried to fix RROD with cheap heat gun. It worked out. I soldered everything back (Coolrunner, SPI programmer) and continued my measurements. J-Runner was updated including .xsvf files. Here are new results:
B: 0:43, 1:27, 0:42, 0:50, 0:35, 1:03, 1:26, 2:30, 1:12, 1:12
Falcon (have no idea which one, today I got falcon_en.xsvf automatically): 1.18, 1.26, 1.12. 0.14, 0.21, 0.21, 0.49, 0.20, 0.57, 0.36
Almost forgot... wires are standard from CoolRunner rev.B package, blue (reset) wire underneath (just like in original manual for RGH1).
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The CPU Reset Cleaner should be a good device, at least it will make things faster and easier.
0110 is a memory issue. I suppose the board was overheating while being RGH bench tested and there was no pressure on the ram chips causing a disconnect?
I hate 0110, ill take 0102/E74 all day long.
0110 is a memory issue. I suppose the board was overheating while being RGH bench tested and there was no pressure on the ram chips causing a disconnect?
I hate 0110, ill take 0102/E74 all day long.
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I have no idea what caused RROD 0110, it's typical for Falcons. And this Falcon is weird, it has memory chips on both sides, like Zephyr. I've never seen such before. I poured liquid flux under the GPU and blew hot air from the heat gun on CPU, GPU, memory and RAM and it worked for the second time on this board Flux boiled with a smoke and vapor, fire alarm in my apartment didn't respond this time...
I'm sure that it's a temporary fix, the question is not if but when RROD comes back.
Flux boiled with a smoke and vapor, fire alarm in my apartment didn't respond this time...I'm sure that it's a temporary fix, the question is not if but when RROD comes back.
Most Falcons have memory chips top/bottom......
There is a Falcon V3 which has no bottom chips, it is very close to a Jasper with the exception of the older GPU and different SB.
If it goes again I would be more than happy to do a proper repair on it for you.
There is a Falcon V3 which has no bottom chips, it is very close to a Jasper with the exception of the older GPU and different SB.
If it goes again I would be more than happy to do a proper repair on it for you.