Be careful guys, XBL bannage....

NeOnRaBbIt

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This is pretty long but i think it's worth reading if you got a spare 10-20 minutes...



Now I will explain my story. I have modded my Xbox with a xecuter 2.3 lite a version while back. I then added a 200 GB hdd which was before the recent halo 2 updates and eventually got the x3 I have today. I play on xbl frequently because I like to game and have friends that I play on there.

I started having problems with mysterious MTU errors and I seemed to get it right with my router and my ISP. It would then go away for a bit. Then I would find the error to come back. It was off and on for me for a few months. Then recently, I couldn't get my sh*t working so I made the call.

First I talked to d-link support on getting my mtu straight, we did all we did, then they told me to call Xbox support. I did that spoke to some guy and he couldn't figure out what was going on. He had me speak to his supervisor and he was telling me all kinds of sh*t to do which I followed to the letter. He began to ask me for the codes I received after trouble shooting. I will list them here for you guys.

1.00.5971.01

W:0000-000B
X:0000-F001
Y:008A-0FE0
Z:AFFF-0018
L:0ms (0ms) P: 0/0

1.00.5971.01

MT: 1 (0015-00F0)
IC: 1 (0015 - 00F0)
NT: 0

Now here is the codes from my friends Xbox (modded with x2.3 lite a) who successfully connects from my network...

1.00.5971.01

W:0000-000B
X:0000-F001
Y:00AB-4860
Z:0000-0000
L:70ms (72ms) P: 20/20

1.00.5971.01

MT: 1 (0015-00F0
IC: 1 (0015-00F0
NT: 1

They were most suspicious with MY Y: codes and also the codes I received for Z:. When I asked, they said that all that should be listed with 0's. Also the NT (which stands for NAT) was listed as 0 which it shouldn't be. And the most puzzling to them was that MT: was listed as "1" which means that the MTU is configured CORRECTLY.

Now I receive a call today where a guy walks be through some stuff and I can really tell this guy knows what he's talking about. They want me to go through some "mod verification process" which includes them to send me packing material and then send in my Xbox to them to have them check and make sure it has not been modified in any shape or form.

What he did tell me to do with him on the phone is to tell him the serial number on the bottom of my Xbox. This is where I fuked up. I told him the number on the label. I did not mention to you guys above that I have been banned before with the x2.3 lite a but I got a new eeprom long time ago (bout 1 year). And then he told me to run through the trouble shoot. Then he made me read the serial off the screen....

I read it correctly as written and I knew that was stupid. It showed to them that either my label on the Xbox was a fake or not updated, or that my eeprom has been changed. He then told me to check on the bottom of my Xbox for poked wholes or messed up stickers and I lied and told him that it looked fine and didn't seem like they were messed with.

He also told me to lift one of the pads (rubber ones on bottom of box) to see if the clear sticker type thing was still intact which is really isn't but I told him it was. So he began to ask me where I bought it and I told him I got it a long time ago but used. This seemed to fool him and give me some extra points.

I asked him why I couldn't really connect and he explained stuff about malicious code and how people with modified Xbox’s could easily cheat on the service. Of course I kept playing stupid. He was saying that I was not officially banned but I received an error while attempting to contact the Xbox live service.

He said he was going to give me a call in a few days and confirm the "mod verification process". In all he said it would take a little less than a month for me to receive packing material, ship, have them check it out, and ship back. I asked him what would happen if they did find signs of modification. He explained that if the Xbox showed signs of modification that I will not be able to play on Xbox live again on the Xbox but my account will still be fine. He said that if my Xbox was somehow faulty, they would keep the Xbox but return me a new one free of charge.

I have decided that I want to make the Xbox LOOK as stock as possible. I will unlock my current 200 GB hdd and replace with my original stock 8 GB hdd so they don't find any "mysterious" files. I was thinking of putting my original eeprom in there but that was banned and would look weird because I already gave him the serial of the current eeprom. I will completely desolder my chip and try to clean the board as best I can so that is looks as it did when I got it. Clean board but dusty. I don't know what they will think when they see that the wholes on my LPC have been desoldered since it IS a v1.0 Xbox.

I'm not sure what I will do about my labels though. As there are holes in them from when I’ve opened my case. I may attempt to lift the sticker and then put some paper under it and then glue it back to make it look neat as possible. I was also considering not shipping it to them at all though. Like doing the old switcher-roo at Wal-Mart but I don't think I’ll go to those extremes.

I posted this topic to here some feedback and also give you guys the chance to check your codes compared to mine. They did not consider me banned but it was actually a fault in their own system. This is why I kept receiving the MTU error. Also, I did not post this topic to try and scare those new comers but to tell you to mod your console BEFORE you connect to Xbox live. Some how they figured out my eeprom was not stock and decided me to flag the MTU errors which is now all I get.

I'm only 14 years old which anybody I talk to on the phone can figure that out and they didn't seem suspicious at all at me, but to the "previous owners" of the console...

also maybe by posting my codes I received, someone else can pin point exactly what they tracked in order to find out what I really got under the hood. So I just want to hear what you guys got to say...

and just to add a bit more, it seems that Microsoft seems to put the boot to us modders is because they fear for their online system. They fear that if they allow modified consoles onto Xbox live that the system will become corrupt and cheaters will come from it all. Also that they think that if modified consoles are allowed that people will become susceptible to viruses. We have to admit that these measures have been carefully made to ensure the safety of its members but of course will sometimes leave the creative ones in the dust.
 

anthoj

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wow...you are absolutely right about the procedures that Microsoft takes...I did the exact same thing today and I'm sure a guy will call me back within a few days to do the mod verification process...
 

NeOnRaBbIt

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well of course my story and yours is slightly different. You modded your xbox after it had been connected to xbl and that was recent. I modded all my stuff SUPPOSEDLY (i say this because were not exactly sure when) before they started looking at hdd serial numbers but i dont think that mattered in this case. But it was still a long time ago.
 

Shibz

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I don't know what they will think when they see that the wholes on my LPC have been desoldered since it IS a v1.0 Xbox.
just fill the LPC holes with solder again =p I know its a bitch to unsolder them, especially when you run out of braid and have to use a solder sucker, but its better to be safe than sorry.

edit:
also, put in paper and tell them that you got the xbox used and the labels were already broken. I doubt that they recorded your entire conversation, probably just added some of the stuff you told them into a database. I recently bought a used xbox and it was already opened. Opening your xbox voids your warrenty, but it does NOT say ANYWHERE that you will be banned for opening your xbox.

Edit2: You can try ordering new feet from llama.com. Back before i modded my xbox, I got it returned with new feet on it and a little square white sticker over top of the white label with the s/n on it.

edit3: w00t 300'th post =D
 
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Hehe, you know the reason they ban you from live is that it's the only punishment they can do to you for modding your console, the true reason they're afraid of mods is piracy :)
 

Shibz

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most likely. Who uses a modchip to cheat on XBL anyway? I have never seen anyone using a modchip to get an advantage ever onj XBL. There are enough glitches in halo 2 that you don't need a modchip.
 

drhunter

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If I ever have to make that call, "I bought it 2nd hand off ebay" ;)

Good luck man, hope it works out ok!
 

NeOnRaBbIt

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silentdarkfalcon said:
Hehe, you know the reason they ban you from live is that it's the only punishment they can do to you for modding your console, the true reason they're afraid of mods is piracy :)
beleive it or not (though i want you to beleive it), their main reason of banning it not to end piracy, though im sure that is number two on their priority list, it is to keep people from making viruses and sending them to others through xbox live.

update:

well of course my mom was happy this ever happened which left me genuinely pissed. I spend enough time on my xbox and pc anyway without live she says. So that meant buying a new xbox was out of the question. After talking to my dad he suggested i trade boxes with a friend. I would uninstall my chip from my box and install into his xbox. Though i will probably leave the pin header and that other stuff in the box so i can mod it for them with a 2.6 or x3 (maybe make some money off it) and ill get his unseen from xbl box with a stock hdd and eeprom.

Of course i will have to make my own switch to switch between my 200gb hdd and the stock because if i attempt to use my 200gb hdd on live i will most definitely get banned because it has been "married" to my eeprom which i will assume form now on as banned. I ruled out the possibility of getting brand new eeprom and hdd because i think it's still risky considering what my xbox has gone through and i want to start over from scratch.
 
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badazz74

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I don't believe you can hide the holes on the labels. One look at the bottom of your xbox and they will know it has been open. I also dont believe you could clean the MB good enough to pass as never modded. You are dealing with people who know what they are looking for. They will put it under the microscope. If I was you I would not send your xbox, just tell them you are getting a new one because you dont want to go through the trouble. Just my opinion do what ever you have to. Also what if they got people reading this forum and you told them everything.
 

NeOnRaBbIt

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badazz74 said:
I don't believe you can hide the holes on the labels. One look at the bottom of your xbox and they will know it has been open. I also dont believe you could clean the MB good enough to pass as never modded. You are dealing with people who know what they are looking for. They will put it under the microscope. If I was you I would not send your xbox, just tell them you are getting a new one because you dont want to go through the trouble. Just my opinion do what ever you have to. Also what if they got people reading this forum and you told them everything.
well yea like i stated (or atleast i think i did) i decided i will not send it in because i don't think i will be able to hide that. I'm going to just tell them that i'm going to just get another xbox and use that. most likely will be trading my xbox with a friends but use his hdd/eeprom info for live use as it's unseen from live yet. But then he'll never be able to use my box for live...unless he wants to get a new hdd + eeprom.
 

tonylott

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badazz74 said:
I don't believe you can hide the holes on the labels. One look at the bottom of your xbox and they will know it has been open. I also dont believe you could clean the MB good enough to pass as never modded. You are dealing with people who know what they are looking for. They will put it under the microscope. If I was you I would not send your xbox, just tell them you are getting a new one because you dont want to go through the trouble. Just my opinion do what ever you have to. Also what if they got people reading this forum and you told them everything.
Badazz74 is quite right. It will take them about a nano-second to discover that the mobo has been tampered with..You cant hide that sort of stuff. Even if you make a perfect job of the pin header holes (almost imposible to make it look like it came out of the factory re-soldering by hand) the D0 point will give the game away (and they will definately look there!)..

As you will probably know, these boards are all constructed using solder baths that give almost perfect results. Any soldering done by hand (Even if components are later removed) stick out like a dog's nob.

My advice is not to bother sending your Xbox... Waste of time mate... Save up and buy a virgin box for XBL.

Sorry to be the prophet of doom.
 

naoneo

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without putting a downer on the process, you told him that the stickers were intact, and the clear tape was intact, when they receive it full of holes they will redflag it straight away.
as for removing signs of the chip, you have to remember these motherboards are built by machines, even a complete noob would be able to tell if it had been tampered with.

wasting your time sending it to them, they will just tell you what you already know.
 

Floppy Mohawk

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First I have to admit I didn't read the whole post. I stopped after you mentioned you changed the hard drive before the Halo2 updates. That really doesn't have anything to do with it. M$ started recording eeprom and hard drive info way back in March. So if you went on xbox live anytime after March and then upgraded the hard drive then BAN!

If this was already covered or mentioned already in this thread then just ignore me!

Floppy
 

NeOnRaBbIt

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now let's say i didn't get a new box... you guys think i will be able to go on live with my original stock hdd (last in box with live in 2002) and a brand new eeprom? Or do u think it may be a bit iffy since the hdd has been seen by live but i havent really heard anything about them checking hdd serials back 2 years ago. Or maybe i can figure out a way to change the serial on the hdd. But either way i'm looking at a new eeprom or brand new xbox (or one that just hasn't been on xbl).
 

tonylott

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It would be worth having a go just for the sake of research. I would imagine that you will get zapped though.
 

yourM0M

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your account is REDFLAGGED... i wouldnt try doing any thing other then stock....just trade your box with a friend like you said and be done with it.....and only get on xbl with the stock hdd in his box, switch to the 200gb off live like you said.....in your case they might be looking at the hdd contents like some ppl think once your gt is redflagged
 

NeOnRaBbIt

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alright, i know gamertag flagging is probably nothing. All it means IF THEY EVEN DO IT, is that they get a notice whenever i try to connect to xbox live. They can't ban me just because i have a certain gamertag. Let's say i went to a friend's house an brought my account with me on a memory card. They would never ban him just because i have used my gt on a modded console. And yea most likely i will switch with a friend but i will keep his original sh*t for xbl use but use my upgraded hdd for other stuff. I would probably give him my stock drive that hasn't been in a pc/xbox in over a year:p But i highly doubt they look at hdd contents. Otherwise it would take a sh*tload of time to connect to xbl with them scanning the partitions.
 

tonylott

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NeOnRaBbIt said:
But i highly doubt they look at hdd contents. Otherwise it would take a sh*tload of time to connect to xbl with them scanning the partitions.
And it would be illegal