GENERAL burner max for other drives

[hetster]

after doing a bit of research i have just come accross something i found pretty strange.

i currently have installed 4 burners and by far my fav is the pioneer 219 which burns just about anything you throw at it and burns them very well. i then removed 1 of them and used a new ihas124b to use the xgd3 burner max firmware. and i have to say that it burns disks terribly. not so much verbatims but every other type. even single layer disks are terrible (2 not even playable in a dvd player) so i decided to research a bit to see if there was a way to overburn or if burner max was being taken up by other firmware creators as well as c4eva. it was then that i made a remarkable discovery.

my beloved pioneer 219 (not just mine everyone who has them loves them) has the exact same chipset as the iHas214b (MTK MT1839LN chipset).

if this is the case how in the hell can the liteon be Soooooooo much worse at burning cheaper media than the pioneer 219 is. i have some scans in another thread which for some reason i cant view now lol, which shows the pioneer burning a cheapest of the cheap aone with a better scan result than my liteon burning a verbatim. i am going to investigate further and see if there is some way to cross flash or at least incorporate some part of burner max to the pioneer but if anyone has any insight into how 2 drives using the same chipset can be so very different i would be grateful

 

[DrunkenNinja]

Unless you know someone that is an assembly programmer I would not hold your breath, we are lucky to have the "burner max" patch for the liteon firmware, what people don't understand is that no-one has done this before (not even in the burning scene) c4e was the first, the dudes a legend (full stop).

I actually sold my primary burner a Sony 7280 (the best burner on the market in my opinion) cause I was so impressed with the way this burner operates, all my burns come out lovely.

 

[diaboliq20]

I would imagine the reason the iHAS drivers were picked is because C4e had a good starting point with all the Lite-on fw he had been working with preiously - people keep asking if we are going to see other drives, but as DN says - I wouldn't hold your breath - "the scene" has everything it needs for the time being

 

[hetster]

why do you think 2 drives with the same chipset can be so different at burn qualities?

and i am not holding my breath and i know the work c4eva does is sterling. its just a shame its a liteon drive lol.
as my old mum used to say "you can polish a turd all you like, but, all you end up with is a shiny turd"

 

[DrunkenNinja]

If you actually read the reviews for the iHas624 you will find that the drive is far from "a turd" as you put it, It is actually good to very good across the board.

Your drive may very well be busted if it's not burning properly, either that or you don't know how to use it properly yet.

 

[hetster]

lol i know how to use it and did lots of helps and reviews for cdfreaks. i did lots of testing for them with an older liteon drive around 4 years ago. and i have never been a fan of them. they used to be unbeatable back in the cdr days before dvd-r. but i have yet to find a decent liteon burner for dvdr. the results are way to random.

the drive isnt busted its just a poor performer on cheaper disks ( i know i know we shoyuld all use verbatims). on verbatims it dores a good job but then again so do 90% of other burners.
i am going to start with different write stratergies and wasting hundreds of disks again trying to make a sh*tty burner slightly better..
dont worry they wont be wasted disks as i will share my findings here.

 

[DrunkenNinja]

lol i know how to use it and did lots of helps and reviews for cdfreaks. i did lots of testing for them with an older liteon drive around 4 years ago. and i have never been a fan of them. they used to be unbeatable back in the cdr days before dvd-r. but i have yet to find a decent liteon burner for dvdr. the results are way to random.

the drive isnt busted its just a poor performer on cheaper disks ( i know i know we shoyuld all use verbatims). on verbatims it dores a good job but then again so do 90% of other burners.
i am going to start with different write stratergies and wasting hundreds of disks again trying to make a sh*tty burner slightly better..
dont worry they wont be wasted disks as i will share my findings here.

:rolleyes2: You won't be the 1st :rolleyes2:

No-one has been sucessful yet, probably cause c4e and lightinguk! (Author of Imgburn) already wasted all those discs so we don't have to :facepalm:

Hense both stating it has to be verbs.

:rolleyes2:It's probably nothing to do with the burner and more to do with writting on part of the disc that is not meant to be written on.:rolleyes2:

 

[DaMacFunkin]

Just because 2 drives have the same chipset doesn't mean jot, lots of other things go into producing a drive, transport, laser,tilt mechanisms, and not to mention different write strategys. To be fair since about the A05 pioneer have recognised that to ship loads of drives they need to write very well on cheap media, and whilst i wouldn't hold out much hope of the new batch of chinese manufactured pioneers being able to successfully overburn cheaper dual layer media, they DO produce better quality burns on the cheaper single layer media that i generally use.
p.s. i have 3 ihas burners, 1 pioneer 219, 2x pioneer 218 a samsung burner that i can't remember the model number off my head, a 4x lg blu-ray burner, a 10x lg blu-ray burner and a lg GH24NS50 burner which i have unlocked for reading, because that too is crap at burning on cheaper media.

 

[hetster]

wow this drive just gets better and better lol.

Optimum Power Calibration Failed! - Reason: Timeout on Logical Unit

i'm about to throw it out of the window and just play original or truncate, its not worth the hassle

 

[kirbix]

wow this drive just gets better and better lol.

Optimum Power Calibration Failed! - Reason: Timeout on Logical Unit

i'm about to throw it out of the window and just play original or truncate, its not worth the hassle

Honestly sounds like you got a bad one. I use mine as my all purpose burner for videos, games, etc. haven't had a single problem.

 

[hetster]

3rd 1 i have had and all 3 been total garbage..
decided to truncate using my trusty pioneer and using liteon for test purposes. just burning my first cheapo disk with several different write strategies. starting with aone using mkm003 strat. then i have some tesco own brand and some riteks.
let the testing commence. it was fine for 2 weeks then just started failing. i was kinda expecting a wee bit more than 2 weeks life, maybe 4 what with it being liteon lol
at least i have my pioneer 219 that has never let me down while i test the crap outta this


rofl well mkm003 strat didnt go too well. failed at 50% and there are noticable rings under the disk.

 

[hetster]

i really love those replies that are both well thought out and informative. the amount of effort and research that must have gone into that response is staggering.

well a little bit of success so far, i will post results after but i crossflashed to ihas524b and still failed OPC with a timeout so i went about swapping strats. i have swapped with ricohjpn d00-001 which is 2.4x and it has burnt and verified to 100%. i am just scanning now and ythen i am going to swap with mkm001-000 just to see if the 2.4x verb strat works better / worse / same

 

[paul.86]

Used ihas 124 for years perfect in every way

 

[hetster]

ok heres the scan from my ihas124b crossflashed to ihas524b
it is a aone gold (Disc ID: RICOHJPN-D01-67)
burnt at 2.4x using RICOHJPN-D00-001 strat

will post using the mkm01 2.4x strat after it burns and scans
scratch that it failed at 50% Failed to Write Sectors 2135504 - 2135535 - Reason: Write Error

 

[hetster]

well well well. i got me some philips dual layer (Disc ID: RITEK-D01-01) which are 2.4x only. i heard bad things about these so didnt hold much hope for them and i am pleasently suprised. especialy as they are £11 for a pack of 25

burnt these with Advanced Settings - Force HT: Yes, Online HT: Yes, OverSpeed: Yes, SmartBurn: Yes with OPC enabled as i was burning at 4x
i enabled overspeed so i could burn these at 4x and have so far been pretty suprised. 5 out of 5 burns at normal write strat with 4x enabled from overburn option. here are some scans with 4x.

things are starting to look up lol. phew. 5 burns all scanned the same (nothing over 70 PI & 5 PIF)

 

[crackle8]

I had 2 bad 124B's, wasted 40 MKM 003's, then bought a third (324-32B) which is awesome, just churns out my backups within the Kprobe parameters without an issue.

I believe that there are some bad drives out there, some guy's get lucky with their first drive, others don't.

 

[jt415gz]

keep the results coming man! im interested to see how well cheap media/burners workout for xgd3.

my asus 24b1st (ihas124) is a beast but the LO ihas424 is just meh
i should crossflash to 324b and see what it can do

 

[tsquad131]

my asus 24b1st is also awesome. I've had it for almost a year now and luckily i ended up being lucky that a crossflash method was made for it so i didnt have to get a new burner. Had a pioneer 112 before this drive for 6 years then everything started failing on it.

 

[crackle8]

Tried some Datawrite i had just for fun, got decent results, PI Max = 66 Pi Av = 6.89, PIF Max = 6 PIf Av = 0.82, not bad, i may tweak a few settings and see how it goes.

i'll report back.

 

[jt415gz]

yeah lookingforward to it