ANSWERED Coolrunner chip install gone horrible wrong.

[JoeCamo]

Here is an album of all the images of the soldering that I did for the Nand-X QSBs and the coolrunner for my falcon mobo.

http://imgur.com/a/5QOSu

After soldering all the points I get to the part where I plug the usb into my computer, and then the power into the xbox. I set the coolrunner chip to phat and to program on the chip and plugged in the usb and plugged the power to my xbox, did not turn it on did not even have the power plate plugged into the front. Anyways, after about 10 seconds of the nand xbox being connected to the QSB the coolrunner chip turned red hot on (the one with the burn mark around it first picture) and started to smoke.

I did notice that on the green wire (I think I'm colorblind, its the one that goes right next to the xclamp on the bottom of the mobo) is soldered onto more than one point. I'm just wondering if I totally screwed myself or if this is fixable (obviously I'm going to need to buy a new coolrunner no biggie).

I posted this on another forum because I wasn't able to register here, but here are some questions I answered for someone else that asked as well if it helps:

How long roughly did it take till it overheated and started to smoke? Timing is always critical to know. Ill show you why later.
It took approximately 10-20 seconds before it started smoking after I plugged it into the USB on the top of my computer

What size PSU does you PC have and is it home built or shop bought?
I built my computer and it has a 700W power supply.

What type of PC did you connect it to? and Is the USB 2.0 or 3.0 compliant? Here is how you tell:
A 2.0 has a black rectangle on the inside and a 3.0 has a blue rectangle on the inside.
I connected it to a USB 2.0, I only have 2 usb 3.0's on my computer, but it was one of the extra ones with my case that connects to the motherboards USB 2.0 extention slot or whatever you want to call it on the mobo.


Again I just want to know if its salvagable and I'm trying to get as much input as possible and give as much info as I have.

 

[ezzda1]

you have shorted something out and blown the coolrunner chip.
looking at your soldering I'd say you need to send it to someone who can fix it for you.

 

[oO Elite Oo]

You need to use flux which is important and your QSB neeed replacement as they look awful no offense. I highly recommend you send it to someone who knows how to mod 360's as this will save you money on the long run. I cant tell by the pictures this is your first or 2nd time soldering, you will need more practice on a dead board before even attempting this again. Their are many highly skilled modders on this site use them to be on the safe side.

 

[xbox360 hacker]

Well it defo looks like the green wire is bridging a few components. Remove the coolrunner as that is screwed. Clean up all the soldering points/bridges. Then see if your xbox works before doing anything else. Maybe a good idea to get some one that can use a soldering iron to carry out the work ( a pro )

 

[JoeCamo]

Well, I'm just throwing this out there as a possible problem, my soldering iron was a crappy 5 dollar one from harbor freight that I think is 30W, I couldn't even get the solder to melt from the tip of the soldering iron I had to use the side of it to get the part hot enough to touce the solder to get it to melt so that was part of my problem. So a better iron might help.

And yes, essentially it was my first time soldering heh, I just want to learn how to do it, and mod my xbox, so IDC if I have to do it over and over I will figure it out.

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Well, I'm just throwing this out there as a possible problem, my soldering iron was a crappy 5 dollar one from harbor freight that I think is 30W, I couldn't even get the solder to melt from the tip of the soldering iron I had to use the side of it to get the part hot enough to touce the solder to get it to melt so that was part of my problem. So a better iron might help.

And yes, essentially it was my first time soldering heh, I just want to learn how to do it, and mod my xbox, so IDC if I have to do it over and over I will figure it out.

when I mean the side I mean the side of the tip obviously not the side of the whole iron. And am I missing the edit button I can't find it, I would have rather done that than make a new post.

 

[hersheys247]

Your green and Orange wire look like they are bridging. Your QSB doesn't look good either, like others have said. Why try on a working board if it is your first time, why not use a dead bored. Have you tried taking everything apart and seeing if it still boots dashboard, check for bridging when you do, as far as coolrunner its fried and I don't think you have the technical know how to fix it, so cut you loses, send it out and practice using any dead PCB board, use flux, temp reg solder, rosen flux core solder, use flux, use flux and the last thing to buy is flux. Hope you learn from your mistake.

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[JoeCamo]

Your green and Orange wire look like they are bridging. Your QSB doesn't look good either, like others have said. Why try on a working board if it is your first time, why not use a dead bored. Have you tried taking everything apart and seeing if it still boots dashboard, check for bridging when you do, as far as coolrunner its fried and I don't think you have the technical know how to fix it, so cut you loses, send it out and practice using any dead PCB board, use flux, temp reg solder, rosen flux core solder, use flux, use flux and the last thing to buy is flux. Hope you learn from your mistake.

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The orange one going to r2b24 is actually the one I'm most proud of because its only on the left hand side one I just wasn't able to get a good picture of it because its to low and small to get it on the motherboard, I was having problems getting the wires to solder initially to the coolrunner itself and I thought it was because I didn't have flux so I went to radio shack and bought a little tub of it and made sure to clean my tip before each solder and to put it on generously to the spot beforehand, but it ended up not being the case of having no flux but it was my soldering iron not getting hot enough of the tip to get the part hot enough so I had to use further up on the soldering tip which is what I thing screwed me on the green wire, like I said in the previous post I think my cheap soldering iron investment is what screwed me here. I watched the how to do the soldering the correct way on this site and watched a how to on installing the coolrunner RGH, and practiced a little bit on an old motherboard for a computer.

Video's I watched are referenced here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=OkuhC7exeow#!

and here:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_NU2ruzyc4&feature=iv&src_vid=OkuhC7exeow&annotation_id=annotation_160138"]How and WHY to Solder Correctly - YouTube[/ame]

It seems like everyone is hell bent on telling me to have someone else do it which isn't going to happen I WILL figure this out and make it work with or without this forum's support. If I have to get another xbox and do it all over again because my xbox is bricked then so be it, I've got the time and money this is something I've wanted to do and learn to do for a long time. Yeah I could buy one that's already done and sell this as scrap on ebay but it wont feel as gratifying in the end.

So if anyone has anything constructive other than "take it to a pro" it would be much appreciated.

 

[Ubergeek]

How can anyone be so bad at soldering and attack an expensive 360 like that?

I don't get it ?

No one can tell you anything other than give it to a pro before you do further damage. Don't bitch at people who give you this very sound advice, we can't polish a turd any more than you can miraculously become competent at soldering.

 

[ezzda1]

ok buy a decent soldering iron. something variable that will go up to 350 or 400 degrees.
minimum spend will probably be arround £45-50 for a decent iron.
then get the finest tip you can find, about .5 to .8 mm.
then get some decent flux.
remove the coolrunner and all your wires and clean up any bridged points to try and get the console to boot.
if it boots, get a new coolrunner.
before you install it, use your shiny new iron on something to practice on,
an old phone or modem or even an old stereo.
if you insist on using your console to practice on have a look at this post
http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81657
when you can solder to a point that is about 0.3mm diameter try the install again.

 

[WNYConsoles]

Just to confirm, you did not power on the XBOX at all with the wiring in the pictures?

And is the power LED on the power supply for the XBOX orange or red?

 

[Martin C]

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[jtag360.nl]

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Sorry Martin I didn't mean to. But I understand.

Excuse.

 

[H3rmaN]

Send it to someone who can do it for you mate, it will save you a lot of grief in the long run. Also, don't practice your soldering on working consoles, practice on scrap PCB's. You can even buy scrap XBOX 360 PCB's for about £5 on eBay to practice on.

The more you practice on this board the more chance of causing perminant damage. Let someone else do this and in the mean time go an hone your soldering skills on a scrap board.

 

[SamDoleBob]

It does look like bridged connections on orange and green wire. The solder on those qsbs looks sketchy too. Did you plug your cool runner in backwards? That would short it out here is a pic of the correct way to connect it.

 

[boogaman01]

You need someone else to help you with this. I understand wanting to do it yourself because it looks so easy. I had am issue with my first one as well, but I fixed it.

 

[JoeCamo]

ok buy a decent soldering iron. something variable that will go up to 350 or 400 degrees.
minimum spend will probably be arround £45-50 for a decent iron.
then get the finest tip you can find, about .5 to .8 mm.
then get some decent flux.
remove the coolrunner and all your wires and clean up any bridged points to try and get the console to boot.
if it boots, get a new coolrunner.
before you install it, use your shiny new iron on something to practice on,
an old phone or modem or even an old stereo.
if you insist on using your console to practice on have a look at this post
http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81657
when you can solder to a point that is about 0.3mm diameter try the install again.

Thanks for the input I will get a good soldering iron and practice on something before I do it again.

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It does look like bridged connections on orange and green wire. The solder on those qsbs looks sketchy too. Did you plug your cool runner in backwards? That would short it out here is a pic of the correct way to connect it. Link To Image

I connected it exactly like this when I was going to program the coolrunner then it started smoking.

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Just to confirm, you did not power on the XBOX at all with the wiring in the pictures?

And is the power LED on the power supply for the XBOX orange or red?

I did not have the board connected to even turn the xbox on so no I did not turn on the xbox at all during this procedure, the power supply led is orange.

 

[JoeCamo]

How can anyone be so bad at soldering and attack an expensive 360 like that?

I don't get it ?

No one can tell you anything other than give it to a pro before you do further damage. Don't bitch at people who give you this very sound advice, we can't polish a turd any more than you can miraculously become competent at soldering.

I really don't need or want sh*t posts like this in this thread, if you don't have anything constructive to say just turn a blind eye and move on please.

 

[MANUMAN]

I really don't need or want sh*t posts like this in this thread, if you don't have anything constructive to say just turn a blind eye and move on please.

cant see you lasting to long here with your bad attitude. uber was giving you the best advice possible.get someone whos knows what they are doing to do it for you.

 

[JoeCamo]

So what your saying is belittling people and say basically "you'll never be able to do this" is a good attitude to go with on these forums? I'm just saying in my first post I said at the end "Again I just want to know if its salvagable and I'm trying to get as much input as possible and give as much info as I have." That isn't really input, its like you guys don't think anyone new can figure out how to solder, like no one else in the world but you guys and the "pros" know how to do it. If you go out with that attitude in life you will not get anywhere.

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that last post was to manuman

 

[Martin C]

So what your saying is belittling people and say basically "you'll never be able to do this" is a good attitude to go with on these forums? I'm just saying in my first post I said at the end "Again I just want to know if its salvagable and I'm trying to get as much input as possible and give as much info as I have." That isn't really input, its like you guys don't think anyone new can figure out how to solder, like no one else in the world but you guys and the "pros" know how to do it. If you go out with that attitude in life you will not get anywhere.

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that last post was to manuman

I'll make something clear.

We're a T-X support forum for T-X products. When you purchase them, we expect you know how to use them (which means for those which need to be soldered, you know how to solder).

We're not here to teach you to solder - you should know how to do that before even attempting this. You clearly can't solder, so instead of doing the smart thing and learning (there are hundreds of pages on the web for help on soldering, including techniques, equipment etc ), you took the alternative route and thought you were too smart to learn first and dived right on in there. Well done you.

You're getting sh*tty replies (and deservedly so) as you decided not to read anything until you fcuked up and now you want help when it's too late. I've posted pics on soldering, as well as videos. I've even got a 'practice points' post in this section for points on your board you can practice soldering on without breaking it and even this has been overlooked.

If you're going to go through this RGH experience just doing what you want (i.e not reading) and crying for help when you fcuk it up, you'll never get anywhere.

First thing for you to do is send this to someone to salvage, if it's still possible.

Next, learn to solder before even attempting something like this again.