I think i just stumbled into something. I am not claiming to be the first or anything maybe this was already done but i think i have a way to copy a game that is already on a dvdr to another dvdr without an xbox. This is what I did: I backedup an original from xbox to my mac laptop and created the xiso and burned it. Tested the game to make sure it works fine and so far so good. it works perfect so i decided to put the game back into my laptop to see what is the size of the DVDR info that is in there and I noticed that when i double clicked the drive i can see all the files in there. I put the dvdr into my pc and i can see all the files. They are the gamefiles no VOB or dvd movie files i see the default.xbe and dashupdate.xbe. so I decided to put a game i burned with my pc and i couldnt see any files on the disc I can only see them if it was a disc burned with a mac. I know that just because you can see the files dont mean you can duplicate and it will work because its the samething with a DVD movie it has encryption etc. What I am gonna do is try to do a DVDR to DVDR using my mac and see if the game plays. This is just something I happened to stumble onto. I hope i dont get flamed if this has already been talked about just that i found it interesting and wanted to share. I will update and to let you know the outcome. Thanks!