ANSWERED E79 after updating Zephyr to 12625

[swaffar]

First let me say that this is totally my fault.

I used jtag tool to update 12611 to 12625 for a zephyr board. I failed to changed the SMC points to Aud_clamp DVD_tray and left it as ORIGINAL. Now I have a RRoD E79 and I can't enter xell... the tray doesn't even open when I press eject. I did make a backup of the working jtag 12611 nand before flashing the bad one.

I bought this online. I did not flash this myself so before you guys jump to cold soldering points, I opened it up and they look fine. There are no quick solder cards on the board, but I can tell that the NAND-X method was used.

So...
Have I done something irreparable?
I'm assuming I'll need to buy a NAND-X kit.
Do I have to unsolder the AUD & DVD diodes before I can re-flash my NAND backup? (I've read quite a few posts, but I'm still uncertain on this point.)

Thanks in advance for any help.

 

[manwithoutname]

In theory, if the flashed image is good then you don't need to re-flash the console, just alter the jtag connection points to match with those that were set for when you created your latest image.

Alternatively you can get hold of the NAND-X and re-flash your console with the 12611 image you had, then update from there again.

 

[swaffar]

After reading your reply I've looked around for "alternative jtag solder points" and I only came up with the pic below.
Another thread was labeled "alternative points" but used the exact same Audio & DVD tray points that my board is currently using.
I'm not sure what points the jtag is looking for by default so I'm a bit at a loss as to which I should use.

 

[J2G]

Its stated above by manwithoutname as to what you need to do now use the nand x and flash back the working nand you had on it.
You did it with normal SMC points and your Jtag was not done that way so you need to redo it if by some chance its still booting into Xell then there is a way of reflashing the nand that way if not you will need the nand x connected with cools Jtag tool and redo it..

 

[korn_16_f_t_l]

that green wiredosent look right i have spent a lot of time looking up ways to JTAG a 360 and i havent seen one diagram that shows that point (all tho i could be wrong) first thing is first MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A ZEPHYR if you do these boards kinda suck and are really kind of picky (ive done 2 of them now) the method that works best for me is use the transistors for the JTAG wiring (transistor method here: http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=719652 ) but connect the wires to the typical DB1F1 and ROL (Ring Of Light) points like seen here in the diode method:

here is a diagram using both the transistors and the original DB1F1 and ROL solder points (the normal solder points you set JTAG tool for) http://forums.qj.net/xbox-360-news/166419-new-jtag-wiring-includes-proper-voltage-conversion.html

also note that the solder point located on the ROL is also on the bottom of the motherboard, i prefer the point on the bottom of the board (its the solder point in the bottom board picture you seen at this link http://forums.qj.net/xbox-360-news/166419-new-jtag-wiring-includes-proper-voltage-conversion.html ) as that point still allows you to take the 360 apart if you ever need to again.

i dont like the diode method for the zephyrs i have had 0 luck with the diodes as well as the TX Quick Solder Boards it seem that the transistor method is just what works for me

EDIT: the method up there posted by johnny2good is the transistor method like i said i have 0 luck with this on zephyrs hell i got so sick of trying alternative points and this and that i only use the transistor method on ALL boards now

@johnny2good even if he cant boot into xell and get his CPU key he can still change the 2 JTAG wires to the "normal JTAG" points to get it to boot again assuming he built the .bin properly and all he did was set the wrong JTAG wiring any how

how the heck did you get this thing to flash your update any how did you get your CPU key? because you cant really write ANYTHING not even dash updates without it..........

 

[swaffar]

I was provided with two bin files named "free.bin" and "nand.bin" and a text file with KV info...

Console Type: Retail Zephyr (v2.0)
CPU Key: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
KV Type: 2
MFR Date: 07 18 2007
ConsoleID: xxxxxxxx
Serial: xxxx
Region: 0x00FF | NTSC/US
OSIG: PBDS xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
DVD Key: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 

[J2G]

Right so you ether use the FB bin you got or the original nand bin to put it back to right this time with the right SMC points enter your CPU key in cools Jtag tool and click write bin.. and select ether the FB or Nand.bin and it will write it back.

 

[korn_16_f_t_l]

I was provided with two bin files named "free.bin" and "nand.bin" and a text file with KV info...

Console Type: Retail Zephyr (v2.0)
CPU Key: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
KV Type: 2
MFR Date: 07 18 2007
ConsoleID: xxxxxxxx
Serial: xxxx
Region: 0x00FF | NTSC/US
OSIG: PBDS xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
DVD Key: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

good deal was just curious seeing as how you got it 3erd party and all but ya i recommend changing your wiring ESPECIALLY if you have one of thos pesky zephyr board (like i said they have never been much more than a pain in my ass but both the ones i did were MFG 20077 not sure if that makes much of a difference tho)

as a side note (and you probably noticed this if you used JTAG tool 3.0) there is suppose to be some kind of issue with JTAG tool 3.0. zephyr boards and that dash # (it tells you as soon as you select zephyr in the drop box) may i recommend flashing 9199 while you are trying to sort this out so that eliminates 1 possible failure from your trouble shooting process even tho the zephyr i did last night flashed just find with the latest dash you may not be so lucky

 

[korn_16_f_t_l]

Right so you ether use the FB bin you got or the original nand bin to put it back to right this time with the right SMC points enter your CPU key in cools Jtag tool and click write bin.. and select ether the FB or Nand.bin and it will write it back.

i think he still has the issue he has no way to write the .bin thats why i was recommending changing his wiring as a temp solution than he can use flash360 or what ever to either fix his .bin SMC file to match the alt wiring or leave it or do what ever is nessicary to get things back to functional with out buying/waiting for hardware

 

[swaffar]

hmmm i don't know... i dont't have the hardware to reflash it as is, but i don't have any transistors or diodes laying around either...

 

[J2G]

korn_16_f_t_l slow down buddy will you stop leading him down the garden path !!! as to >> some kind of issue with JTAG tool 3.0. zephyr boards and that dash no there is not that was months back its fine.
Also his Jtag was fine 100% before he made a mistake so alls he needs to do is reverse the mistake he made and do what i said.
Then we will get him to the new dash when the Jtag is back up and running..

 

[korn_16_f_t_l]

Yes. I guess I just need to buy a NAND-X and choose Aud and DVD for SMC this time. I think I'd rather not change the solder points. But can I flash it back with the audio and dvd tray diodes soldered in or do I need to disconnect those, flash it back, then reconnect diodes?

Thanks

can always built the LPT NAND reader if your PC supports the pot dont even have to remove the pin headers (assuming thats whats installed) just find some thing that looks like this on a junk PC lying around:

follow the schematics to build the LPT reader and put those on the end to attach to the pin header

 

[BGAMods]

flash it back with the diodes in place. create new freeboot with correct smc and write the new freeboot image.

job done,should take 2 mins.

 

[korn_16_f_t_l]

as to >> some kind of issue with JTAG tool 3.0. zephyr boards and that dash no there is not that was months back its fine.

if that were the case than why does the pop up screen in JTAG tool 3.0 still alert you of a :known issue" for dash 12625 with the zephyr boards

korn_16_f_t_l slow down buddy will you stop leading him down the garden path !!!

no clue what you mean by "garden path" im recommending very valid solutions to his particular situation he has no means to read/write his nand now that his machine wont boot.

seems like your just trying to sell another TX product to me

 

[swaffar]

Ok well thanks for all the help guys. Soldering isn't a problem, but I think I'd rather stay away from re-wiring as the system hasn't had problems... until I did something stupid. I'll use the transistor method as a last resort. I guess I'll be ordering a NAND-X kit after all. All I'll need to do is desolder a few points and put some pin headers in.

 

[korn_16_f_t_l]

Ok well thanks for all the help guys. Soldering isn't a problem, but I think I'd rather stay away from re-wiring as the system hasn't had problems... until I did something stupid. I'll use the transistor method as a last resort. I guess I'll be ordering a NAND-X kit after all. All I'll need to do is desolder a few points and put some pin headers in.

no pin headers already? hmm thought u said it was obvious he (original flasher) used a NAND-X?

 

[J2G]

As i told him it was fine before the mistake if he had the nand x as flash said takes 2 mins, if it was booting to Xell then it could be done without the nand x.
Just use a formatted USB stick put the good FB bin he got on the stick rename it to updflash plug it into the usb port on front of the Jtag pull the power plug out for a min plug the power back in press eject and Xell will find the updflash bin and update the Jtag then power cycle the Jtag job done...

 

[BGAMods]

seems like your just trying to sell another TX product to me

erm last time i checked this was a TX product support forum.

solution:

1. buy nand-x
2. rewrite nand
3. create new freeboot image using correct points this time
4. sorted.

youre making it harder for him than it needs to be.

 

[swaffar]

no pin headers already? hmm thought u said it was obvious he (original flasher) used a NAND-X?

Yes, the solder points for the nand-x flash have obviously been used, but no pin-header was left. Man this would be so much easier if I could just boot into xell. Live and learn.

 

[korn_16_f_t_l]

As i told him it was fine before the mistake if he had the nand x as flash said takes 2 mins, if it was booting to Xell then it could be done without the nand x.
Just use a formatted USB stick put the good FB bin he got on the stick rename it to updflash plug it into the usb port on front of the Jtag pull the power plug out for a min plug the power back in press eject and Xell will find the updflash bin and update the Jtag then power cycle the Jtag job done...

right and what i was saying was that if xell dosent load at all all he had to do was move to the original JTAG points and reflash with flash360 with the correct bin with the correct points.

i also stated that in my experience the traditional diode wiring dosent work very well on the zephyrs, nor do the alt points (than again when i last used the alt points was before JTAG tool did the SMC for you), and recommended the transistor method with the traditional JTAG points if he had any further boot issues after correcting his current situation.

perhaps my wording sounded off or was misunderstood or something, one downfall to forums/thread no one can see exactly what you are thinking nor is there any emotion in words :/