Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for real?

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jonarvid

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I would like to know what one of the Team Xecuter developers has to say on this matter....

Just note this isnt mine or anything to do with me. I just want to know what the main developers of Team Xecuter have to say about it.

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=305938

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Extending the life expectancy of a modchipped v1.6 xbox

In a v1.6 xbox, one of the data signals on the motherboard (LFRAME) is short circuited to ground to let a modchip boot. This puts a strain on the xbox electronics whenever the modchip is operating. Although the modchips work, the life expectancy of the xbox may be shortened by doing this - much like driving your car around with the engine always running at 6000rpm (the car still goes, but the engine will get warn out much more quickly). A resistor can be used to prevent the problem of installing a modchip, and extend the life of the xbox.


A more detailed description:
The bios on a v1.6 xbox is loaded from the LPC bus, the same bus that the modchip uses. Therefore there will be two different bios (modchip and normal MS bios) both trying to load at the same time onto the same wires. v1.0-1.5 xboxs used separate wires to load the MS bios compared to the modchip and so this wasn’t a problem.

So how do we stop the MS bios from loading onto the wires we want to use for the modchip in a v1.6?
LFRAME is used to signal the start/end of a data transfer on the LPC bus. In v1.3-1.5 xboxs MS removed this signal from the motherboard to make "cheapmod" modchips no longer work - so modchip makers generated this missing signal with some extra electronics on each modchip. On v1.6 xboxs we short out the LFRAME signal on the motherboard so that the bios chip on the motherboard doesn't know it is being sent data (it can't see the start signal) and so it doesn't do anything. The modchips now generate the missing signal themselves, so they see the data correctly and can load up without any problem.

So what is the effect of shorting out LFRAME?
Shorting out a signal causes a higher current to flow than is normal. In v1.0-1.5 xboxs we short out D0. This causes a current to flow during the time the onboard bios is trying to load - which is a maximum of a few hundredths of a second. After this it is disabled so no current flows, and the modchip loads up.

On the v1.6 we are shorting a different signal, LFRAME, which as far as the xbox is concerned is required to load the bios in any circumstance. This causes a problem - the signal does not turn off when the modchip loads like the v1.0-1.5 xboxs do. We have a continuous current flowing whenever the modchip is being used - a current which is coming from a data line driver which is not designed to do this!

For those interested, I measured 62mA and 68mA on two different 1.6 xboxs - to put this into perspective a standard 3.3V 74LV series IC output normally operates at a few mA, and has an absolute maximum rating of 25mA (I am comparing with other generic electronic components as I obviously don't have the actual xbox component datasheets - anyone who is feeling generous feel free to send me a copy :) Some new modchips, such as the Aladdin XT, have had to add an extra point ‘X’ to try and deal with this high current as the original Aladdin modchips cannot cope.

One fix for this is quite simple, cut the data track on the motherboard and insert a resistor. With the modchip off, the resistor has very little effect on the data line and so the xbox boots normally. With the modchip on, the resistor limits the current to less than 5mA (less than one-tenth of the original value) and so prevents any long term damage occuring to the xbox.


If I have made any errors in this description let me know and I will edit it appropriately.


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trubored

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

A more detailed description:
The bios on a v1.6 xbox is loaded from the LPC bus, the same bus that the modchip uses. Therefore there will be two different bios (modchip and normal MS bios) both trying to load at the same time onto the same wires. v1.0-1.5 xboxs used separate wires to load the MS bios compared to the modchip and so this wasn�t a problem.
uh no, the D0 point is grounded and tells the xbox to boot the bios from the lpc bus. and have you seen an lpc bus? it is holes, there is no bios chip on it. quite frankly i think you are full of doo doos. I think you are trying to get us to f**k our xboxes over. Xecuter, what do you think?
 

Jango

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

lol :roll:
 

trubored

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

notice how he has only one post?
 

Jango

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

lol yeah :)
 

trubored

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

I got $1 that this is complete bs and purposely trying to get us to screw our boxes over
 

trubored

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

prolly some pissed off ps2 owner who just realized halo 2 kicked GTA:SA's ass
 

lightning10101

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

Ok look mr I can right a sh** load its like 11 my head was ringing and with out pictures in anything u aint going to get a good responce for me. SO I though I would just say that and not say anything about the topic here. :D
 

lightning10101

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

Ok now iv woken up and relised there were picture on the second link (wahay). And Iv also relised that y on gods earth would I want to do that. How long u want to extend the life 100 years? I mean the xbox will last liek another year 2 at best. So your call risk breaking it now .. ..... for nothing really

and trubored sounds right! GO TRUBORED(IF THATS HOW U SPELL YOUR NAME IM SORRY) :D

dont judge me on spelling plz :oops:
 

jonarvid

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

Look, I'm sorry if this is a very stupid question, and for all I know it's not a problem, but i stumbled over the thread in xbox-scene.com, and there they have discussed it instead of flaming the first poster.

I posted it here to hear if anyone in Team Xecuter had heard about it. I see this topic is discussed on the SmartXX forum as well.

The reason I ask is that I'm planning to mod my v1.6 xbox with Xecuter3, but not if it cooks the xbox inside.

So I just wanted to hear:

A) yes, this may be a problem, you have to live with it.

or

b) no, this is just bull****, ignore it.

Not: hahaha, lamer newbie trying to ruin it for everyone.

Because I just wanted to hear the opinion on here before buying the modchip...

And by the way, I'm planning to have my xbox at least a couple of years, I wont rush to the shops for xbox 2 next year.
 

jonarvid

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... why and

trubored said:
I got $1 that this is complete bs and purposely trying to get us to screw our boxes over
I don't claim to know anything about how the electronics work, just saw the discussion somewhere else. I'm not saying people should do this, I'm asking if it sounds sensible. Obviously it doesn't, after reading these responses.
 

nebur

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for rea

um i would want my xbox to last over 2 years. my chipped ps1 still works. maybe you guys have money to toss into xbox's every few years but i dont. this is a valid question and i would like to see team xecuter address this.
 

dunz

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for rea

Don't be an a**h**e to this guy........some of the biggest people on the scene are discussing it on X-S.
 

jonarvid

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for rea

If anyone wants to discuss this in a civil fashion, that's great. If you want to abuse me, do it on PM. This is not some joke I've made up myself, and people are seriously discussing it on other boards.

Maybe Team Xecuter is looking at it as well, and it would be nice to hear their opinions, if this is something they are considering to solve, or if this is a minor niggle that is not worthy of fixing.

Do you think that this is something that can be rectified by an BIOS upgrade, or is this some hardware thing only that has to be handled with hardware solutions (rewiring, track cutting)?
 

trubored

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for rea

sorry was a little drunk @ time of posting. anyways, if it is legit xecuter will let us know, otherwise, Halo 2 awaits me
 

DiscoBiscuit

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for rea

Sounds like a possible thing that could happen - but does this happen with ALL mod chips? and does this apply even if the xecuter was disabled? who knows - too many questions - might as well leave it to the experts to answer...if they can!
 

naoneo

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for rea

imo just sounds like underhanded tactics to sell more duox2's
 

ADES

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for rea

In Xenium (team Xodus) forum, the Moderator sais that Xenium Ice don't have this problem.
 

Gek025

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Re: Extend The Life Expectance Of Your Modded 1.6... for rea

Can anyone here PM the maker of the thread over at xbox-scene and find out what chips this takes affect to? I would do it myself but i have that site blocked from the friendly IT group here at work. Im thinking they may be only talking about older chips, not the new generation.

Gek025
 
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