GENERAL Falcon 360 + 2.0.8955 dash - dummy/key extaction

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Hi guys,

I have ordered a 360 on ebay with an old dashboard, 8955 and I was wondering what are the range of methods available to me for the extraction of the key/dummy.bin (assuming it is a Liteon drive).

I have read the JF tutorial and I understand that PMT or the Probe v3 will be required.

however, since it is an old dash, any chance I could extract the key using an older method, maybe using Probe v1?

Any help/info greatly appreciated. :)

Note: this console will be for a friend, he only wants me to flash the drive for backup play, no other modification.
 
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Assuming it's a Lite-On 7-series on that dash you'd be able to use a Probe v1 or other serial-based key extractor device, and an 8-series v1 drive doesn't require any additional hardware at all. Also I believe ALL Lite-On drives even the newly updated 0251 firmware are dumpable via the old MRA hack, if you don't mind doing a couple trace cuts and some soldering. Exact information is available in the JF tutorial PDF, check that for more specific details, but that should point you in the right direction to start with.
 
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LoneWolf913 said:
Assuming it's a Lite-On 7-series on that dash you'd be able to use a Probe v1 or other serial-based key extractor device, and an 8-series v1 drive doesn't require any additional hardware at all. Also I believe ALL Lite-On drives even the newly updated 0251 firmware are dumpable via the old MRA hack, if you don't mind doing a couple trace cuts and some soldering. Exact information is available in the JF tutorial PDF, check that for more specific details, but that should point you in the right direction to start with.
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Thank you for your response.

To be honest, I'd rather update the console to the latest dash and use the Probe v3 method than use the MRA hack. I did the MRA hack ages ago and it was a struggle for me :)

The only reason why I am asking is because I have ordered a Probe v3 but I don't know how long I will be waiting before I receive it, it still isnt in stock by the seller.

Since I have the option of using an old method involving Probe v1, well then my friend wont have to wait, I can extact the key, update to latest dash and flash the drive.

Where can I find a tutorial on using the old method involving probe v1? ( i did it in 2009 but can't remember the step exactly, plus I only feel confident following a tutorial)

Or what page on the JF tutorial do I go to? The steps I click on keeps bringing me to the method involving the Probe v3.
 
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Martin C said:
You would need a CK3 Pro / CK3i / X360USB v2 AFAIK.

You can get a v1 to v3 conversion cable for your probe.
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I have a CK3 Pro. And a probe v1 and probe v2.1

I know the conversion cable is available for a probe v1 to make it act like a probe v3 for the current widely used method for extacting keys from phat liteons.

But I remember a time when I was able to extact the dummy and key from a liteon just using a probe v1, where all one had to do was probe a particular point on the board and do the extraction. It involved the basic power cycling of the CK3 but there was no push buttons involved.
 
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Martin C said:
Yes you can still do this.

A quick google found this page:

http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53557
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Excellent thanks! :)

I can also use the probe v1 instead of probe 2 of course.

The R707 hole, I remember that now! :)

I know I can only do this BEFORE updating the dash, I just wanted to know, will the dummy.bin that I will extract be the same thing as the dummy.bin that would be extracted (using a different method) if the drive was flashed to stock 02510c?

I mean, since this is an old dash, the liteon drive will be on its original stock firmware and not a 02510c stock FW, will this make any difference for future flashing?

EDIT: I found the tutorial that I am looking for --> http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51961

dated back to december 2009 :)

Jungleflasher 0.1.67 is being used, I might download that to be exact :)

The 2.0.8955 dash dates from that time.
 
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Martin C said:
You will only need the DVD key for 0251 FW.
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so after i obtain the initial dummy.bin file (and dvd key separately), i update the dash and then flash the drive.

But when I am flashing the drive, what do I load as source? The dummy I extracted earlier (when it had 7 series FW)? or do I use the original FW for 02510c in the Firmware Packs available online?
 
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Once the drive is connected and recognised, JF can scan all known keys against it and will recreate the dummy.bin once it finds the key you grabbed from the v1 probe.

If this fails, just load the 0251 destination firmware and manually spoof your good DVD key.
 
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Martin C said:
Once the drive is connected and recognised, JF can scan all known keys against it and will recreate the dummy.bin once it finds the key you grabbed from the v1 probe.

If this fails, just load the 0251 destination firmware and manually spoof your good DVD key.
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Lets say it fails, I click on 'Open Source Firmware' and select...what? My original dummy.bin or a stock 02510c FW that anyone can get?

Then manually copy n' paste in the dvd key into the box above, manually load LT3 as target and then spoof my dvd key to the target?

note: i will be keeping my dvd key in a notepad file, my only way to guarantee I know that my dvd key is right.
 
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Yes of course.

You have the DVD key by this point, so you just need to load it and manually spoof the DVD Key.
 
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Martin C said:
Yes of course.

You have the DVD key by this point, so you just need to load it and manually spoof the DVD Key.
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sorry about that, I thought you meant load 0251 stock firmware in the source area.

ok so the 0251 LT3 FW is loaded into the target section.

besides having my dvd key correct in the 'source' section, how do I know that everything is right there before spoofing? or does it matter?
 
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Martin C said:
Provided your DVD key is right, you can't do anything wrong at this stage.
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I have to apologise for my own stupidity.

I made an assumption about 'copy n pasting' my dvd key, which I now know you can't do. You either load a dummy.bin or open your key database.

What I was trying to ask, is since my original dummy.bin file that I got from my drive BEFORE updating the dashboard, is a dummy file created by JF while reading the drive as a 7 series liteon.

After the dash update, this drive is not recognised as a 7 series anymore, and lets say if I decide to flash my drive then. I get JF to recognise my drive in DVDKey 32 tab, once it is recognised, will the correct dummy.bin file and subsequent key be autoloaded by JF in the source section?

And if not what should I manually load in the source section? Is my dummy.bin file that I created earlier ok to load as source since it was created by JF when reading it as a 7 series drive and not a 02510c drive?

I mean in many tutorials that I have read, they always say to load your dummy.bin as source. But if I decided to update the dash first and obtain the dummy.bin using a probe v3 instead, would this dummy.bin contain the same info as a dummy file created in the scenario in the above paragraph (i.e. JF reading the drive as a 7 series). I know both will input the same dvd key but the dummy file contains other data too.

Does you see the point I am trying to make or ask? Or am I sounding like a complete idiot.

See I follow tutorials like a monkey would, but I don't truly understand what I am doing.
 
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