Flux pens my arse!

bigfathairybiker

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What is it with these retailers selling flux pens to unsuspecting modchip fitters!

Never need to use extra flux on any pcb myself.

If you use a flux cored solder there should be no need to extra flux!

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savah

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ok, but if you mess up dont come here asking for help....cause you will know the answer
 

manu_xl

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you dont need flux for a pinheader install. flux cored solder is enough

flux is only needed imho when someone installs extra ram.
 

bigfathairybiker

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Mess Up! Wot!

Flux Pens are for rework usage.

At work I solder surface mount SSOPS and many other devices and have never ever
had a problem with not using a flux pen.

I don't know of anyone other than in the "mod chip" business that appears to need them for general soldering!

I mean , thats what fitting a mod chip is... general run of the mill soldering.

Basically flux pens are a waste of time... unless:

a) you are crap at soldering
b) your soldering iron is crap
c) you don't mind wasting your money on crap
d) you need to fix some crap soldering job
 
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BillyF

bigfathairybiker said:
Basically flux pens are a waste of time... unless:

a) you are crap at soldering
b) your soldering iron is crap
c) you don't mind wasting your money on crap
d) you need to fix some crap soldering job
<Smart Ass Replys>
a)some people are crap at soldering
b)some people have crap soldering irons
c)its called upselling, its how retailers make money.
d)People fix other peoples crap soldering jobs.
<End Smart Ass Replys>


Now I see why retailers sell these :)
 

Martin C

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Ok - so we get the message. You don't like flux pens.

Personally, I like them. Used in conjuction with desoldering braid, you can really lift solder more effectively. I wouldn't say I'm crap at soldering either.

Think of a flux pen as you'd think of lube: It's not essential but it makes things better ;)

Martin
 

Baldy B

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Flux
Why Do I Need Flux When The Man In The Shop Says There Is Flux In The Solder?
Reliable solder connections can only be accomplished with truly cleaned surfaces. Solvents can be used to clean the surfaces prior to soldering but are insufficient due to the extremely rapid rate at which oxides form on the surface of heated metals. To overcome this oxide film, it becomes necessary in electronic soldering to use materials called fluxes. Fluxes consist of natural or synthetic rosins and sometimes chemical additives called activators.
It is the function of the flux to remove oxides and keep them removed during the soldering operation. This is accomplished by the flux action which is very corrosive at solder melt temperatures and accounts for fluxs ability to rapidly remove metal oxides. In its unheated state, however, rosin flux is non-corrosive and non-conductive and thus will not affect the circuitry. It is the fluxing action of removing oxides and carrying them away, as well as preventing the reformation of new oxides that allows the solder to form the desired intermetallic bond.
Flux must melt at a temperature lower than solder so that it can do its job prior to the soldering action. It will volatilize very rapidly; thus it is mandatory that flux be melted to flow onto the work surface and not be simply volatilized by the hot iron tip to provide the full benefit of the fluxing action. There are varieties of fluxes available for many purposes and applications. The most common types include: Rosin - No Clean, Rosin - Mildly Activated and Water Soluble.
When used, liquid flux should be applied in a thin, even coat to those surfaces being joined and prior to the application of heat. Cored wire solder and solder paste should be placed in such a position that the flux can flow and cover the joints as the solder melts. Flux should be applied so that no damage will occur to the surrounding parts and materials.
 
Flux pens are insurance. Every used one on my Xbox? No. I am confident in my soldering ability, and use rosin cored solder. But if I roal screwed up, I have flux and desolder braid (I don't like those desolder pens).

Everyone has different ailities, and their preferences are reflected in that. Given that many of the people fitting mod chips are teenagers who are probably soldering for the first time (or close to it), a little insurnace can save them their $150 investment (or trying to explain to Mom and Dad that the Xbox they bought him for Xmas isn't working, and can't be returned under warrantee).
 

bigfathairybiker

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So, as baldbouncer has explained... you don't need a flux pen if you use flux cored solder!

Such is life...

I would use a flux pen though when resoldering BGA's etc. As its easier to put the flux down in a thin smooth layer, but ofcourse you wouldn't use a soldering iron!!
 

Martin C

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bigfathairybiker said:
So, as baldbouncer has explained... you don't need a flux pen if you use flux cored solder!

Such is life...

I would use a flux pen though when resoldering BGA's etc. As its easier to put the flux down in a thin smooth layer, but ofcourse you wouldn't use a soldering iron!!
Actually, what was posted was a Q&A into the argument FOR a flux pen :)

Re-read it ;)

Martin