Ha Ha Widows.
Bill Gates killed all the Husbands and we were overun by Widows.
Sorry couldn't resist.
I'll get me coat.
go 360...mtv shows rumors are true
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Bill Gates killed all the Husbands and we were overun by Widows.
Sorry couldn't resist.
I'll get me coat.
I must say that I really agree with what linuxn00b2004 is saying. I work for a big IT company... and the amount of dependance that we have on Microsoft is awful.
For example... we upgraded from Exchange 5.5. to Exchange 2000 recently. It went terribly. Now all the guys I work with love Linux. We all run it at home. We know that there is an open source program called sendmail... it's simple and it works pretty much flawlessly... but since we've signed a huge contract with Microsoft we can't change... we'd loose millions in invested money.
Microsoft goes to big buisnesses and tells them "If you give us a flat rate we'll give you licenses to almost every piece of software we have!" and the company thinks "Wow what a bargin!"
Then the copmany uses all the software, it gets "married" to it... then the upgrades come... you gotta buy thoses... and the support calls and help, because nothing works right.
Finally you get to a point where you can't back out of windows because your so dependant on it, so you have to upgrade. You have to use thier software the way they say and pay whatever they want for it...
You can't just shut down your buisness for a month and go to a linux solution... re-train all your employee's on how to use it... so what do you do?
I'll tell you what you do... you get a bumper sticker that says "I'm Bill's bitch"
For example... we upgraded from Exchange 5.5. to Exchange 2000 recently. It went terribly. Now all the guys I work with love Linux. We all run it at home. We know that there is an open source program called sendmail... it's simple and it works pretty much flawlessly... but since we've signed a huge contract with Microsoft we can't change... we'd loose millions in invested money.
Microsoft goes to big buisnesses and tells them "If you give us a flat rate we'll give you licenses to almost every piece of software we have!" and the company thinks "Wow what a bargin!"
Then the copmany uses all the software, it gets "married" to it... then the upgrades come... you gotta buy thoses... and the support calls and help, because nothing works right.
Finally you get to a point where you can't back out of windows because your so dependant on it, so you have to upgrade. You have to use thier software the way they say and pay whatever they want for it...
You can't just shut down your buisness for a month and go to a linux solution... re-train all your employee's on how to use it... so what do you do?
I'll tell you what you do... you get a bumper sticker that says "I'm Bill's bitch"
Hey, for businesses, they should be using the open-source solution because it's a hell of a lot cheaper. I can't side with you for that, all I have to say is those companies that use microsoft solutions are stupid. Microsoft dominates the market by support, why are they supported, because they dominate the market, it's a catch 22. Microsoft pretty much earned their position in the marketplace today. Just as much as any other business earned it's position. However, it's simply harder to pull microsoft from their position due to copyright laws. If it was possable for me to take sections of windows code and put it into my OS then microsoft would not be where they are today, I can simply integrate windows compatibility into my open source OS and, boom instant competitor. If you ask me copyright laws are the real culprit here! We should start with that DMCA and work our way up!
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Yeah but how do you support open source when 99% of your job market is Unix-challenged. Also the higher ups in most companies can't even spell unix but know how to check e-mail on widows so that's what they're comfortable with.
I perosnally think that windows has some good products. Thier customer support sucks, they release stuff way too early, before they test it enough... and thier corperate outlook is akin the the third riech! I'm just waiting for the Microsoft stormtroopers to start marching down the street!
Here's a funny tidbit...
When you upgrade from Ex 5.5 to Ex 2000 there are options for starting a new 2000 server and migrating mail from your old mail domain. In the original release of Ex 2000 you could migrate from lotus notes, various MAC systems, Send Mail, Banyon Vines... all sorts of stuff... but no Exchange 5.5. Why in the blue hell wouldn't they put 5.5 as an option?!??!
Then service pack one came out... still no 5.5 support. It wasn't untill service pack 2 came out for Ex 2000 that you could migrate mail from a 5.5 server to a 2000 server.
How stupid is that??! They didn't even support their own legacy software untill 2 service packs later!!!
That's the sh*t that chaps my ass. I wish there was a way I could find the hero in charge of that brilliant idea and stab him in the face.
I perosnally think that windows has some good products. Thier customer support sucks, they release stuff way too early, before they test it enough... and thier corperate outlook is akin the the third riech! I'm just waiting for the Microsoft stormtroopers to start marching down the street!
Here's a funny tidbit...
When you upgrade from Ex 5.5 to Ex 2000 there are options for starting a new 2000 server and migrating mail from your old mail domain. In the original release of Ex 2000 you could migrate from lotus notes, various MAC systems, Send Mail, Banyon Vines... all sorts of stuff... but no Exchange 5.5. Why in the blue hell wouldn't they put 5.5 as an option?!??!
Then service pack one came out... still no 5.5 support. It wasn't untill service pack 2 came out for Ex 2000 that you could migrate mail from a 5.5 server to a 2000 server.
How stupid is that??! They didn't even support their own legacy software untill 2 service packs later!!!
That's the sh*t that chaps my ass. I wish there was a way I could find the hero in charge of that brilliant idea and stab him in the face.
Dude, hte MS bashing needs to stop. I don't care if you think all the alternatives are better and you hate big business or whatever, but windows 95 and windows 98 single handedly made it easy for people to use a computer, bringing electronics to what they have become today. COuld it have happened with another platform? Well, Mac was about to drown until MS invested in them, so no, and UNix is too scattered to allow for mass marketing the way it would be needed. They got IE out, they got office out, shady business tactics or not, they made a computer simpler and more consistent to use so that the average person could get on and check their e-mail.
And fine, since then things have changed. People move from IE to mozilla, Mac's market share has blown away, all sorts of things are changing. Blindly hate MS or not, they made modern computing possible.
And for the people who just say windows isn't powerful enough, I'm a modification geek and getting in there deep, learining how it works, and taking something that was not really meant to work in a way and making it work that way is my hobby. Windows problem is they couldn't figure out how to draw the line for the home user and the pro, so they added a lot of powerful stuff and then took it away so people couldn't screw things up. If you really take the time to get to know windows, IE, office, etc, it kicks the crap out of all other OS's in diversity. I have Mac addicts come here all the time and say "Oh yea, your computer can't do this" and prove them wrong. Yea, it takes months of pordding, but 1) that's fun and 2) if that doesn't work for you, go somewhere else, don't condem the company because you don't use their product right, and I guarantee all your complaints exist because you aren't using their product to its full extent.
And fine, since then things have changed. People move from IE to mozilla, Mac's market share has blown away, all sorts of things are changing. Blindly hate MS or not, they made modern computing possible.
And for the people who just say windows isn't powerful enough, I'm a modification geek and getting in there deep, learining how it works, and taking something that was not really meant to work in a way and making it work that way is my hobby. Windows problem is they couldn't figure out how to draw the line for the home user and the pro, so they added a lot of powerful stuff and then took it away so people couldn't screw things up. If you really take the time to get to know windows, IE, office, etc, it kicks the crap out of all other OS's in diversity. I have Mac addicts come here all the time and say "Oh yea, your computer can't do this" and prove them wrong. Yea, it takes months of pordding, but 1) that's fun and 2) if that doesn't work for you, go somewhere else, don't condem the company because you don't use their product right, and I guarantee all your complaints exist because you aren't using their product to its full extent.
Microsoft made it possible for simple people to use computerssilentdarkfalcon said:
Windows stole the personal computer idea from Mac. Every major network anywhere runs on Unix. The internet runs on Unix (DNS). Most of your database software runs on Unix or Linux... All those cool graphics you see in movies, all that CGI is usually done on Silicone Graphics machines... which are unix based. Google runs on unix.silentdarkfalcon said:
I already said that Windows makes some good programs... but thier buisness ethics are disgusting. Why did they put a firewall in XP SP2? Because windows was orginally built for workgroups and has sh*tty security. Now, the firewall sucks and is easily circumvented... but it gives the illusion of security so... the user is happy.
Microsoft seems to be based on a philosophy that as long as you buy thier product they really don't care if it works right. Since it's inception Microsoft has had one of the worst customer support in the IT market. Cupple that with thier ambiguios error messages and dumbed down user interfaces and you have system that can be almost impossible to troubleshoot! Hell, windows doesn't even show you all the services running on your machine!!
If you ever get into a large IT enviroment you'll start to see where Windows has been slapped together and ham fisted into the OS it is today. If you want I can give you a ton of examples.
The big thing is this. Windows is centrally designed. Which means if one proccess hangs your PC will wait for that process to resolve before it moves on.
If you run Unix or Linux or MAC you can run so much faster, cleaner and not have to reboot every other day.
Gotta Hand It To Them...
Yeah, I watched the MTV thing last night and was totally pissed off afterwards. I had hoped for a lot more information and more screenshots from games and instead I got... the Killers... and... ummmmm... a Perfect Dark Zero competition where they just showed the players' faces instead of the screens... oh yeah, and Frodo Baggins. SERIOUSLY disappointed. And then I saw the OurColony video. THAT'S what I wanted! Information! Not some trumped up TRL show (I was almosting expecting Carson Daly to show up... anyone else remember when he was a DJ on KOME back in San Jose, CA?)
Anyway, I may not agree with the business practices of M$, but you have to admit that they sure are good at what they do. Let's face it, the MTV thing was aimed at the teen demographic and pandered to it wonderfully. The techno-geeks got the OurColony video plus some other goodies on various sites. M$ once again shows that they know how to get attention and pull it off wonderfully. I can honestly say that was the first time in a VERY long time MTV has been on in my apartment.
Now, as for modability of the 360, I think it will definitely be modable. Watching the videos and hearing about the features, did anyone else notice the similarities between the 360 and a modded Xbox1 running XBMC? M$ is known for liberally borrowing ideas from other people and I am pretty suspicious that they have done it once again. It's a nifty conspiracy theory really, but just think about it: they have one of the most talented development teams in the world... and they don't have to pay a cent for it: the Xbox modding community. Oh, they act like modding is bad, and they'll ban your box from Xbox live, and they'll pretend to make it harder to mod, but that's all part of the strategy. People have more fun doing it when they think it's getting on M$'s nerves. I actually wouldn't be surprised if there are M$ employees who browse these sites and forums and who even have modded boxes themselves. Free software development! They would be crazy to pass that up. Besides, what hacker is going to sue them for stealing ideas that are borderline illegal anyway? M$ is the unsurpassed king of reverse engineering and I think they have borrowed quite a bit from the modding community. Of course the 360 will be modable, otherwise who's going to come up with all the great ideas for the next generation of consoles?
D#[email protected] they're good.
Yeah, I watched the MTV thing last night and was totally pissed off afterwards. I had hoped for a lot more information and more screenshots from games and instead I got... the Killers... and... ummmmm... a Perfect Dark Zero competition where they just showed the players' faces instead of the screens... oh yeah, and Frodo Baggins. SERIOUSLY disappointed. And then I saw the OurColony video. THAT'S what I wanted! Information! Not some trumped up TRL show (I was almosting expecting Carson Daly to show up... anyone else remember when he was a DJ on KOME back in San Jose, CA?)
Anyway, I may not agree with the business practices of M$, but you have to admit that they sure are good at what they do. Let's face it, the MTV thing was aimed at the teen demographic and pandered to it wonderfully. The techno-geeks got the OurColony video plus some other goodies on various sites. M$ once again shows that they know how to get attention and pull it off wonderfully. I can honestly say that was the first time in a VERY long time MTV has been on in my apartment.
Now, as for modability of the 360, I think it will definitely be modable. Watching the videos and hearing about the features, did anyone else notice the similarities between the 360 and a modded Xbox1 running XBMC? M$ is known for liberally borrowing ideas from other people and I am pretty suspicious that they have done it once again. It's a nifty conspiracy theory really, but just think about it: they have one of the most talented development teams in the world... and they don't have to pay a cent for it: the Xbox modding community. Oh, they act like modding is bad, and they'll ban your box from Xbox live, and they'll pretend to make it harder to mod, but that's all part of the strategy. People have more fun doing it when they think it's getting on M$'s nerves. I actually wouldn't be surprised if there are M$ employees who browse these sites and forums and who even have modded boxes themselves. Free software development! They would be crazy to pass that up. Besides, what hacker is going to sue them for stealing ideas that are borderline illegal anyway? M$ is the unsurpassed king of reverse engineering and I think they have borrowed quite a bit from the modding community. Of course the 360 will be modable, otherwise who's going to come up with all the great ideas for the next generation of consoles?
D#[email protected] they're good.
BTW... sorry I jerked up this thread... I just reread what I posted.
Shouldn't have gotten off the subjet
I think that it'll be interesting what Sony comes up with since Xbox just set the bar. They can now take 6 months or so... reverse engineer the 360 and improve on it.
l0thar I think your right on the money with the Xbox guys checking out the mod scene... it's an awsome market analisys tool!
Shouldn't have gotten off the subjet
I think that it'll be interesting what Sony comes up with since Xbox just set the bar. They can now take 6 months or so... reverse engineer the 360 and improve on it.
l0thar I think your right on the money with the Xbox guys checking out the mod scene... it's an awsome market analisys tool!
So... are you suggesting it should take months of prodding simply to, "use their product to it's full extent,"? Sounds like a design flaw to me...silentdarkfalcon said:
Besides, like Catalyst said, companies and many computer illiterate people DON'T have anywhere else to go, due to contracts, training, etc.
Sorry... couldn't help it.
I promise, I'll be a good boy and stop.That is a good question. Here's my guess:silentdarkfalcon said:
Well, the controllers are wireless. However, they need their power from rechargable Ni-Cads or Lithium batteries. I think they may be just talking about being able to recharge the controller while playing. I think I read somewhere that the Xbox 360 is used to recharge the controllers. Dang, I bet those controller are going to be pricey! Quality Ni-Cads are not cheap. My prediction is $50 plus. That's the going rate for Logitech Wireless, and those are 3rd party, not even OEM.
I would also like to thank you, Catalyst, for sharing my opinion. It's good to have some support on here... I don't think it was you that got off topic. I was kinda the joint effort of a few people (yes, including myself
) You had so many excellent points and examples. I think you ought to read this. I found it extremely interesting and informative. This Frank is an intelligent guy.l0thar, you make an excellent point. I bet without this modding scene, the Xbox 360 would have been exactly what the Xbox was. Makes you almost wonder what modding it would actually do for you... besides make it look pretty.
- Greg
Final MS comment:
Yea, they're not for the average user anymore, it is a design flaw in that they didn't know how to make it powerful for pros but easy for beginners. Nevertheless, I wouldn't write it off because of that, I had a lot of fun learning the ins and outs of windows. But, as much as we can call foul about their business practices (Monopoly, stealing concepts, etc.), computing wouldn't be what it is without their influence and it can be a powerful system if you work at it. Nothing comes for free, to have an OS that is easy to use works for most, but remember that in the day of the model T everyone knew how the car worked and could operate and fix it, and I'll bet not a single Jaguar XJ12 owner could fix the car now a days; it's easy and powerful to drive but when it breaks that's $3000 in repairs and hard to find parts for. (Sorry, my dad owns one and the analogy may make more sense of you've ever known how often one breaks, alhtough it applies to cars in general)
Yea, they're not for the average user anymore, it is a design flaw in that they didn't know how to make it powerful for pros but easy for beginners. Nevertheless, I wouldn't write it off because of that, I had a lot of fun learning the ins and outs of windows. But, as much as we can call foul about their business practices (Monopoly, stealing concepts, etc.), computing wouldn't be what it is without their influence and it can be a powerful system if you work at it. Nothing comes for free, to have an OS that is easy to use works for most, but remember that in the day of the model T everyone knew how the car worked and could operate and fix it, and I'll bet not a single Jaguar XJ12 owner could fix the car now a days; it's easy and powerful to drive but when it breaks that's $3000 in repairs and hard to find parts for. (Sorry, my dad owns one and the analogy may make more sense of you've ever known how often one breaks, alhtough it applies to cars in general)
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HUH, looks like xbox 360 won't have a wireless controller out of the box. From xbox.com
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/peripheralsfactsheet.htm
Nine foot cable? Wireless controller listed as a seperate peripheral... Look at the list.
http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox360/peripheralsfactsheet.htm
I just ordered my X3 mod chip, so I won't be buying an Xbox 360 for a while. It'll be interesting to see what Sony will do once the 360 comes out. M$ could be shooting themselves in the foot if they release the new Xbox to soon. If Sony is smart, they'll wait for the 360 to come out, then price the PS3 25-50 bucks cheaper upon release. I'd buy a PS3 if it was cheaper. Hell, I had an original PS (the BIG grey one) for eight years and never once had a problem with it. My Xbox died after 8 months, that's why I bought the mod chip.
I'd like to see Mac build a game console. I've had Macs since I was a kid and I love em'. I've never had a Mac crash and I've never had a virus.
I'd like to see Mac build a game console. I've had Macs since I was a kid and I love em'. I've never had a Mac crash and I've never had a virus.
Well, I wouldn't say that I'd be "mad" to have to buy games in the future... but being able to not have to do such a thing is much more fun!CZECH said:
emac800 said:
Oh, that'd be sweet!!!
Imagine having a platform that runs an independant process tree...
And then it could have propriatary software that is really expensive, when you can get the same thing for cheap on a PC and....
wait... that'd suck.
G4 sux if you like good old geek tv you would of liked Techtv befor the G4 bastered took it over now all the shows sux no more Screen Svers or Call for help no more Patrick Norton damn it is a crying shame a chanle like G4 would sux so bad
I like Judgement Day with the two gay guys...kimosabe said:If it entertains me, I'll watch it.
Their calls on games are pretty much right on... they've saved me a ton of money in the past.
And that other one with Morgan Webb... I forget the name of the show... but it cracks me sometimes when they make fun of the games.
And that one Mac kid on Attack of the Show... you know the skinny weird one that mods stuff all the time, I think he's cool. He's done a ton of cool stuff!