Sorry for the long silence. I have been helping a friend move house last minute, but have got about 25 hours play in so far with no freeze. Just a question about you running the wire over the fan shroud, do you cut the wire to the shortest length and solder after the shroud is fitted? Or do you coil a longer wire / leave some slack so the shroud can be removed without desoldering?
RGH Help with my Jasper freezing... cpu_rst??
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I cut to fit. A little slack so you can easily move the shroud in and out but that's all. The standard phat wire should fit over the shroud fine not requiring cutting. RGH1 is not as picky as other installs but with the issues you have been having with this one use the provided lengths.
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Ok, I'll give that a go. Do you know what the standard length is? I cut the wire while trying something else so will cut some kynar.
I had a bit of time to play around with this last night and today. I have tried various wire lengths over the fan shroud starting from fitting the fan shroud then soldering the shortest possible bit of wire, all the way up to 50cm coiled. In most cases, running over the shroud causes freezing - usually within a few minutes, with the exception of a the 50cm coiled, and 24cm just running over the top - these two can be ok for a few days (past experience). However, I have now returned to running the wire near the heat sinks across the top of the board and have had no freezing. So I guess this is where this particular console likes cpu_rst best.
I've come to the realisation that I have most likely been dealing with 2 separate issues causing the freezing. One obviously being the placement of cpu_rst, and the other being the HDD cache. If I run the cpu_rst on the top side near the heat sinks, and clear the cache on each boot, it appears to have solved the problem. If I clear the cache on each boot but run the wire anywhere else, I get freezes, the same as if I run the wire near the heat sinks but don't clear the cache. I hope the console doesn't show me up this evening now right after hitting the post button, but so far this appears to be the verdict.
Even though having the cpu_rst wire where it is now solves the freezing, it has caused boot times to suffer. For the most part it glitches in about 4-5 attempts with the occasional 35-40 second wait. When trying combos on S2, do I just try one from 2, 3 and 4 and one from 6, 7 and 8? Ie. 2+6, 3+8, 4+7 etc?
I've come to the realisation that I have most likely been dealing with 2 separate issues causing the freezing. One obviously being the placement of cpu_rst, and the other being the HDD cache. If I run the cpu_rst on the top side near the heat sinks, and clear the cache on each boot, it appears to have solved the problem. If I clear the cache on each boot but run the wire anywhere else, I get freezes, the same as if I run the wire near the heat sinks but don't clear the cache. I hope the console doesn't show me up this evening now right after hitting the post button, but so far this appears to be the verdict.
Even though having the cpu_rst wire where it is now solves the freezing, it has caused boot times to suffer. For the most part it glitches in about 4-5 attempts with the occasional 35-40 second wait. When trying combos on S2, do I just try one from 2, 3 and 4 and one from 6, 7 and 8? Ie. 2+6, 3+8, 4+7 etc?
Yes it boots. I don't think the glitch image is the issue. There were no bad blocks and I dumped the NAND 3 times and they matched.
So the freezing is solved? I use 1 and 5 only on all my RGH1 set up. (jasper anyway) You can play with the dip all you want to find a better spot but like I said 1 and 5 are just bypass and all I have needed. Just for the hell of it do you access to a rev c? If you want to keep plugin at it.:smile:
Well I think it might be solved. If I run the wire near the heatsinks and clear the cache it seems to have solved the issue. I don't mind giving something else a try if you think it would be worth it. I don't have a rev C though. I'd need to see if I can get hold of one. Do you think a rev C will make the difference?
Hard to say for sure but I have always had a great experience with them esp. for rgh1 jasper/falcon as well as trinity. You should not have to clear your cache every time that still is an issue. Even though it is new do have another hdd to try for the sake of doing so? Pretty surprised a rgh1 jasper was this much of an issue. Are you using freestyle dash 3?
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I can get a rev C and another drive - pay day isn't too far off so the rev C will have to wait until next week but I will try another drive in the mean time. I am using FSD 3, but the issue still occurs even when launching from xex menu (obviously I use FSD to rip though). I didn't think a jasper would be this much of a pain either, else I would have bought another console 
I'm not one to give up though, so we'll start again with the drive and rev C and go from there thanks for all your help and suggestions so far btw.
I'm not one to give up though, so we'll start again with the drive and rev C and go from there thanks for all your help and suggestions so far btw.
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I have tried another drive now, and the problem is still there. This drive was not new, but in good working order.
I'll get the Rev C ordered... watch this space
I'll get the Rev C ordered... watch this space
Hi again, sorry it's taken me so long to reply - I've had some family issues to deal with.
I just wanted to post a quick message to say that the Rev C is installed and it appears to have solved the problem. I have 1, closed 2, 2-3 closed, and 3 closed causes freezing (although instant boots) so I opened it again and it's so far been fine. Thanks for all the help and input.
I just wanted to post a quick message to say that the Rev C is installed and it appears to have solved the problem. I have 1, closed 2, 2-3 closed, and 3 closed causes freezing (although instant boots) so I opened it again and it's so far been fine.
Thanks for all the help and input.
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Ok, so another update. As is typical with this console, it behaved for a while then started to play up again.
I have now moved back to the CR3 Lite, but this time I have unbridged LK2 and LK3 leaving only LK1 bridged - something which had never tried before. I am using 2 and 8 on the S2 dips - and there is a very clear noticeable difference this time. The boots are no longer sporadic. Before they would vary by 1 or 2 glitches here, and then others 10-20 there! Now I get a glitch in 3 attempts max, usually instant. I have caned the hind legs off it playing the last couple of weeks and the freezing issue has yet to show. So lets see
I have now moved back to the CR3 Lite, but this time I have unbridged LK2 and LK3 leaving only LK1 bridged - something which had never tried before. I am using 2 and 8 on the S2 dips - and there is a very clear noticeable difference this time. The boots are no longer sporadic. Before they would vary by 1 or 2 glitches here, and then others 10-20 there! Now I get a glitch in 3 attempts max, usually instant. I have caned the hind legs off it playing the last couple of weeks and the freezing issue has yet to show. So lets see
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Taijigamer2
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Always nice to hear a success story from a competent modder rather than some of the disasters recently. Well done
Thank you. This really has been a puzzling console. It doesn't seem to like any of the 'usual' jasper settings. I know every console is different but I hadn't considered opening LK2 and LK3 because jaspers typically like them closed. Same with dip 4 on s4. Jaspers love that, mine refuses to boot with it. I think I have tried every cpu_rst wire type and position under the sun, as well as the others. The thing that got me with this was the apparent period of perfect working order that would follow a change - ie. change the the position of cpu_rst, it appears to improve, good boot times, fine for 4 days then freezes again and crappy boot times. From an elimination point of view this console has been 'entertaining'.Always nice to hear a success story from a competent modder rather than some of the disasters recently. Well done
My other console is a zephyr, and I deliberately chose the jasper because of the known problems with zephyrs. Plus it would be RGH2 for the zephyr. And they burn hotter... The list goes on. Although since I now have a rev C spare, I have been considering doing the RGH2 install on the zephyr just for fun ;-)
I don't think I'll mod it cosmetically as much as the jasper though. Here is the finished article.
Having said all this now I bet I turn it on this evening and it gives me the finger
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Martin C
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I will say that with RGH1 Jaspers, the majority of 'freezing' issues is CPU_RST. I've found that just replacing the CPU_RST with double-shielded cable is enough to resolve this, without even earthing the shielding.
Recommended path is the blue line in this pic.
Recommended path is the blue line in this pic.
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That is actually the first wiring position I tried for cpu_rst. Being that the recommended way is to use the Coax and ground it - that's where I started. When I installed the CR3 I left the blue wire completely and used the coax that came with the kit - with and without grounding the shield. I also tried that same Coax near the heat sinks and over the fan shroud, also both with and without ground. You can understand why this caused a bit of a headache - another typical "What Jasper's like" didn't work on this one. I actually started to question if this was a Jasper at all and double checked the board! This is how freakish this console is - grounding the coax ALWAYS made it WORSE!
Prior to opening LK2 and LK3 the best wiring position I found for cpu_rst was Kynar near the heat sinks. I found your stubborn BB Jasper thread and couldn't find LMR-100A locally either, but I even tried most wiring routes with RG-174 just in case. I tried the blue wire in various routes, I tried the holding it free up above the console, going outside the case, all different wire lengths and different types/gauges of wire. I could replicate a freeze within 4 days with all of them. Wish I'd opened LK2 and LK3 sooner :facepalm:
Anyway, like I said, she'll probably freeze on me tonight so watch this space
Prior to opening LK2 and LK3 the best wiring position I found for cpu_rst was Kynar near the heat sinks. I found your stubborn BB Jasper thread and couldn't find LMR-100A locally either, but I even tried most wiring routes with RG-174 just in case. I tried the blue wire in various routes, I tried the holding it free up above the console, going outside the case, all different wire lengths and different types/gauges of wire. I could replicate a freeze within 4 days with all of them. Wish I'd opened LK2 and LK3 sooner :facepalm:
Anyway, like I said, she'll probably freeze on me tonight so watch this space
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Ok, I know it's been a long time since I posted, but I still need some help.
It looks like I still need some input for my troublesome Jasper. I thought the issue was resolved, but it appears that it's not. I haven't had the chance to play on my 360 much over the last few months, but recently started playing again and much to my disappointment, it's still freezing.
The freezing issue I am experiencing is so unpredictable and erratic, it's been very hard to track it down.
I don't think this issue is with cpu-rst. This is because I have tried more combinations for this wire than I think most people have. This includes:
1. The included wire across the bottom of the board - direct
2. The included wire across the bottom of the board - as in the recommended route
3. The included wire across the bottom of the board - over the back and to top side
4. The included wire topside near the fans
5. The included wire topside nearer the heat sinks
6. The included wire over the fan shroud and DVD, coiled, cut to length etc.
7. 52cm wire coiled over the south bridge - the only time it ever froze at boot
8. Coax near the fans - grounded and not
9. Coax near the heat sinks - grounded and not
10. Coax over the shroud - grounded and not
11. Kynar for all above combos
12. Varying lengths of wire from the shortest it can be to 52cm in 1cm increments in all above combos where it would fit
13. Varying switch combos for all of the above.
14. Using electrical tape, foil then electrical tape to wrap wires (all of them actually).
15. More - I can't remember I've done so many.
To recap, the issue is: Random freezing of no predictable time or point once game play has commenced. NEVER at boot (bar one occasion see above), on FSD or when just at the game main menu - ALWAYS once game play has started and this can vary from 20 seconds to 12 hours.
The Console: Jasper BB 256MB, CB 6750, never had RROD, didn't freeze on stock.
For the most part the console glitches within 1-4 attempts, but occasionally I will get a long boot. I used to think that when I had a boot that wasn't instant that this would cause the freezing, and for the most part it did, and when it booted instantly it seemed to freeze less, but either way it still freezes.
I noticed recently that when a game is ripped to the HDD (internal or external) that it seems to be worse - but when the same game is played from DVD, it's much better (in fact, when played from DVD is when it lasts the longest before freezing). The HDD was new when the RGH was originally done, and 3 HDD's have been tested - same issue. All games are originals ripped from my disks.
Recently, I have come to suspect that it might be an SMC issue, based on what I have read in this thread: http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134985
However, I have tried XMPlayer to test and there is no freezing when moving through the menus at all. I do, however, notice some lagging in game play just prior to a freeze and think that this might be relevant...
Any new ideas and input would be very much appreciated.
It looks like I still need some input for my troublesome Jasper. I thought the issue was resolved, but it appears that it's not. I haven't had the chance to play on my 360 much over the last few months, but recently started playing again and much to my disappointment, it's still freezing.
The freezing issue I am experiencing is so unpredictable and erratic, it's been very hard to track it down.
I don't think this issue is with cpu-rst. This is because I have tried more combinations for this wire than I think most people have. This includes:
1. The included wire across the bottom of the board - direct
2. The included wire across the bottom of the board - as in the recommended route
3. The included wire across the bottom of the board - over the back and to top side
4. The included wire topside near the fans
5. The included wire topside nearer the heat sinks
6. The included wire over the fan shroud and DVD, coiled, cut to length etc.
7. 52cm wire coiled over the south bridge - the only time it ever froze at boot
8. Coax near the fans - grounded and not
9. Coax near the heat sinks - grounded and not
10. Coax over the shroud - grounded and not
11. Kynar for all above combos
12. Varying lengths of wire from the shortest it can be to 52cm in 1cm increments in all above combos where it would fit
13. Varying switch combos for all of the above.
14. Using electrical tape, foil then electrical tape to wrap wires (all of them actually).
15. More - I can't remember I've done so many.
To recap, the issue is: Random freezing of no predictable time or point once game play has commenced. NEVER at boot (bar one occasion see above), on FSD or when just at the game main menu - ALWAYS once game play has started and this can vary from 20 seconds to 12 hours.
The Console: Jasper BB 256MB, CB 6750, never had RROD, didn't freeze on stock.
For the most part the console glitches within 1-4 attempts, but occasionally I will get a long boot. I used to think that when I had a boot that wasn't instant that this would cause the freezing, and for the most part it did, and when it booted instantly it seemed to freeze less, but either way it still freezes.
I noticed recently that when a game is ripped to the HDD (internal or external) that it seems to be worse - but when the same game is played from DVD, it's much better (in fact, when played from DVD is when it lasts the longest before freezing). The HDD was new when the RGH was originally done, and 3 HDD's have been tested - same issue. All games are originals ripped from my disks.
Recently, I have come to suspect that it might be an SMC issue, based on what I have read in this thread: http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=134985
However, I have tried XMPlayer to test and there is no freezing when moving through the menus at all. I do, however, notice some lagging in game play just prior to a freeze and think that this might be relevant...
Any new ideas and input would be very much appreciated.
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