RGH J-Runner "Can not continue" after Read Nand or Flash ECC

[Monstah]

THE INTRO (you can continue to The Problem if you don't need to know the story behind the problem)
Hello everyone, i am totally new to these forums. After reading threads for several weeks i have decided to RGH the console on my own. I have never soldered before, therefore i practiced on a faulty PS3 gamepad board. SO after some practice i started soldering the Nand-X wires to the points found in the guides (i was doing direct wire install, obviously). Everything went fine, after soldering i connected the Nand-X to the motherboard, connected power plug and pressed "Read Nand". Even though there were two errors in each of the nands (something like error 250, e9c or whatever), after comparing each and every on of them (4 in total), at this point, i thought i will not need the nand wires anymore, however i left them alone. I have installed the coolrunned to the motherboard, soldered all the points and i thought i was good to go. Now what i did is i desoldered the nand wires (i thought i wont need them) just putting soldering iron tip over the wire connections. Okay, now i continued to read the tutorial (okay, which idiot does something before fully reading everything?Probably only me). It says "Connect the Nand-X to the Xbox 360 motherboard". Wow. So i have to resolder the nand x wires. Not a problem?You bet!

THE PROBLEM: After RE-soldering the nand-x wires, i pressed the "Write ECC" as the tutorial tells you to. And the J-Runner tells me "Arm 3 whatever and the CAN NOT CONTINUE". Okay, i went back to step one and just pressed "Read Nand" and it told me the same "CAN NOT CONTINUE". From this point i have desoldered and resoldered the nand-x wires like 5 times to no avail. I even used new wires, as the previous ones looked worn out a bit. My soldering iron went from having a sharp tip, to it becoming round. After all of this, the points where you solder wires dont look so good, dark flux stains and overall looks are not as it was in the beginning. So i am asking good people to help me out in this situation, maybe some advice on what i need to do next, eg do i have to find alternative points or what.

PS. I have tried resetting the Nand-x, tried doint everything on my girlfriends laptop, but it still shows "Can not continue" when you press "Read Nand". Also i will add some pictures of the solder work.

 

[Oggy]

You need to remove those wires and clean the board properly so people can see whats under the mess.

 

[Monstah]

What do i need to use to clean the mess?I guess alcohol could hurt the board wouldnt it?

 

[Oggy]

Isopropopopopopopopopoponoyl alcohol would be fine.

---------- Post added at 12:29 ---------- Previous post was at 12:27 ----------

Out if interest, what happened to your soldering iron?

 

[ShagNastY]

For a start if you had one iota of common sense you would take that board to a pro to see if it can be saved

Secondly how the hell do you think you can solder to a motherboard with a "blunt instrument"

The board you have attacked with that Iron did not deserve to be treated in that manner

Hang your head in shame

You`re a fool, take it to a pro

 

[nofeloniesyet]

wow,that is all.

 

[Oggy]

Once cleaned up, you need to look to the right of J2C1 as those traces look from that image, mangled.

 

[ShagNastY]

Looks like maybe 2 of the traces are damaged

 

[Monstah]

Yeah i'm ashamed to have made this kinda ugly job. However it was perfectly fine in the start, i just shouldnt have resoldered that much. And the iron is some cheap chinese crap, that i bought in a local store. I will show the board to my father, hes an engineer, so he might help me clean up the mess.

 

[Oggy]

Remove the wires and clean with rubbing alcohol, then take pics.

 

[Monstah]

Remove the wires and clean with rubbing alcohol, then take pics.

Any stronger alcohol would do?E.g. 40% vodka?or do i need to buy a special chemical alcohol that is made for cleaning boards and etc?

 

[Oggy]

Are you sure you didn't drink the vodka before soldering?

LOL!

No, dont use that kind of alcohol - Use IPA (Not Greene King's IPA either!)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isopropyl_alcohol

 

[Monstah]

Remove the wires and clean with rubbing alcohol, then take pics.

Actually i drank 2 cans of beer when doing my last solder, its good that i didnt do any more harm to the boards that it was already done. Thank you so much for you help, i will get the alcohol and will post new pics tomorrow.

 

[GamingRepairs]

Wow this is bad. Looks like you have burned the points on top. Get yourself a new soldering iron before you try to continue. Then solder nandx wires under the board cause the points on top are burned.

 

[Dublicious]

I give you some serious credit man. Most people would just chalk it up to embarrassment. You came on the forum, posted your story, your pictures, and took on the crow'd like a true man. While you did do a shotty solder job, I would say that bravery was a big part in the xbox360 demise! You should not hang your head in shame!

Do as the other members have specified. Clean up the mess post pictures and follow further instructions carefully. You should be up and running soon. If not than contact a professional to help you. Thats what this forum is about.

 

[Rome 16:16]

TBH, it would be useless cleaning your mess and do the same mistake again. It was obvious that the practice you did was not enough. Before you repeat doing the install again, do some more soldering practice and research. Just an advise.

 

[Martin C]

A very interesting method of learning to solder. Probably an expensive one too.

Just an FYI - removing all the solder work you've done to it won't necessarily make it work again. There's a strong chance you've permanently damaged the board.

I wish I had $150 to throw away on learning to solder. The daft thing is I could have actually taught someone to solder for half the cost on a 1:1 basis.

An expensive lesson here : Walk before you can run.

 

[Dublicious]

A very interesting method of learning to solder. Probably an expensive one too.

Just an FYI - removing all the solder work you've done to it won't necessarily make it work again. There's a strong chance you've permanently damaged the board.

I wish I had $150 to throw away on learning to solder. The daft thing is I could have actually taught someone to solder for half the cost on a 1:1 basis.

An expensive lesson here : Walk before you can run.

I think many people would benefit from your quick solder video's Martin. I know that I downloaded them and have the on my PC. I refer my friends to them to get an idea of how easy it is. OP could have benefited from your video's I think!

 

[vrtclhykr]

Dublicious I disagree with you. Skill does not come from watching a video. It Amazes me that people spend money on all the parts needed to RGH including soldering equipment that have never soldered before. Any individual will save themselves money by simply taking it to someone with experience.
Telling people that it is easy is false. It is easy with the right tools, knowledge, and a small amount of skill.
The more people that find out about this mod the more burned up boards we will see. It is more than simply having a soldering iron and some flux. I guarantee that most modders here have all kinds of tools on their bench that aid in installs such as magnifying equip etc.
Same thing happened back in ps2 days. Dads ordering chips and soldering equipment to do their kids machines and making a huge mess of the mainboards. The flip side for modders is you get the repair charge out as well as the modchip install charge out.

Perhaps this should be stickied to show unskilled persons what happens. I appreciate that the OP nutted up about his mistake but the mistake came long before resoldering the NAND wires. A tiny bit of knowledge regarding the mod and the wires would never have been removed.

As suggested. Everything needs to be removed and cleaned to see if you actually still have a working Xbox.

 

[Martin C]

The key to good soldering (like most things) is technique.

Watching someone else solder is key as without this, you're just guessing how to do it. The soldering videos help as it gives you an idea of how long it should take and what order to the objects go to the point in question (flux, iron then wire).

I agree though, it's not something you should try as a first attempt and learning on a working console should be a no-no.