Jasper: Painfuly Slow Boot....

[Vest1ge]

Hi, all.

Just looking for some collective knowledge on some boot time fixes, for my new jasper 16mb

It takes around 30 secs to boot, with and without the capacitor between A and Ground.

I have aligned my wires on the bottom as by the included picture, this configuration has given me instant boot times on other consoles

So anyone got any suggestions on how to speed this old man up!!

 

[XJonnyGunsX]

Hey Vet1ge,

I know what you're saying with the slower boot times. I have a Jasper just like that myself.

I've been very fortunate with my boot times, on Jaspers, when I run the green wire (A) through the middle of the X-clamps. Through the left one - straight over to the right point.

Just my 2¢

 

[Vest1ge]

Hey Vet1ge,

I know what you're saying with the slower boot times. I have a Jasper just like that myself.

I've been very fortunate with my boot times, on Jaspers, when I run the green wire (A) through the middle of the X-clamps. Through the left one - straight over to the right point.

Just my 2¢

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Hay, I will give that one a try in the morning, as i cased the box back up, and just broke one of my torx bits :S will need to go get a new one.

Thanks for the advise

 

[Fisticuffs]

Follow Uber's Tut's, I got great boot times following it exactly how the pic's show,
Xecuter CoolRunner - Phat Install (QSB)
Xecuter CoolRunner - Phat Install (Wires)

 

[Martin C]

Remember that quality of your soldering can alter the boot times. Use flux!

 

[jaycboy]

I had a jasper that was really bad I found no matter how much I repositioned the wire...anyways the problems were above the mobo my blue wire was too close to 3.3 and ground soon as I moved/resolderd it to a diff position blam instant and 5 sec boots its was just this 1 jasper too as I wire everything now same as before.....jus my 10 pence

 

[Vest1ge]

Follow Uber's Tut's, I got great boot times following it exactly how the pic's show,
Xecuter CoolRunner - Phat Install (QSB)
Xecuter CoolRunner - Phat Install (Wires)

Read them all before, done this on many consoles. And have achieved instant or near instant boots on most of them. More looking for advancements people have made, as every console is different...... Nice addition to your post count there.

Remember that quality of your soldering can alter the boot times. Use flux!

I tried Re-soldering all the points, before I posted, have been using flux and scraping all the points to remove dirt etc. Often its just a dodgy point.

I had a jasper that was really bad I found no matter how much I repositioned the wire...anyways the problems were above the mobo my blue wire was too close to 3.3 and ground soon as I moved/resolderd it to a diff position blam instant and 5 sec boots its was just this 1 jasper too as I wire everything now same as before.....jus my 10 pence

Now that is something I didn't think of! But the magnetic field generated from those higher voltage and current wires, could cause some interference, I will investigate this, as my wires are almost touching. Out comes the hot glue gun! I'll let you know if this creates any difference. Thanks for your input.

 

[Martin C]

Hey Vet1ge,

I know what you're saying with the slower boot times. I have a Jasper just like that myself.

I've been very fortunate with my boot times, on Jaspers, when I run the green wire (A) through the middle of the X-clamps. Through the left one - straight over to the right point.

This is exactly how I do mine and have yet to have an issue

Check my attached images here: http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79402

I will say that since this pic was taken, I've changed my CPU_RST route to run along the edge of the PCB near the fans:

http://team-xecuter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6656&d=1328090899

This appears to resolve freezing issues.

Don't be afraid to clip the cables on phat consoles if you have too much slack.

 

[XJonnyGunsX]

This is exactly how I do mine and have yet to have an issue

Check my attached images here: http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79402

I will say that since this pic was taken, I've changed my CPU_RST route to run along the edge of the PCB near the fans:

http://team-xecuter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6656&d=1328090899

This appears to resolve freezing issues.

Don't be afraid to clip the cables on phat consoles if you have too much slack.

Awesome! Thank you for the info.

Even though I use flux on all my RGH, the (A) point can give me heck with joining correctly. (Not after I tin the point first)

This caused me to have slow booting - no booting.

Here's Martin's link to his soldering videos: http://team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=81105

I've always tinned wires, but I didn't think to tin the points like this, in the video. (When I first started out)

I understand your soldering is more than adequate. Stating that, that's some of the little things I've run into with slow, bad or no boots.

Best of luck and it'd be interesting to see what method helps out.

 

[Vest1ge]

Well this morning, after a trip to the hardware store for new screw bits, to actually get back into the console. I have been experimenting and have finally got a first or second time boot.

Now jaycboy's suggestion of keeping the blue wire away from the power lines, is a very valid point, but when i opened up the console I noticed i had already positioned it away from the 3.3V and Ground wires, so I will not be testing this in this experiment.

Original Setup - With / Without 48uf Cap was 2mins + ( I just gave up after 2 mins)

Then to put the entire soldering issue out of the way, As Martin C is correct most problems are in soldering. I re-soldered all the points, with flux. And still no change, tried booting for 2 min and still no boot. (Tried booting 3 times, same result) Same result with the 48uf capacitor.

So then i went onto, repositioning the green A wire, as first suggested by XJonnyGunsX under the heat sinks. Making sure there was a good connection, to point A. Now with no capacitor, same result no boot after 2 mins. But after adding the capacitor, boot after the second flash. And third flash the second time, and back the second on the third boot.

So i can conclude that positioning of the A wire, does effect the boot time, on this console With the capacitor installed.

With this still not being instant, I though i would try repositioning the blue CPU_RST wire to the top of the board. I completely replaced the wire with a new one, and after stopping the solder escaping through the pin hole, I managed to position this wire. Still using the capacitor and the repositioned A wire, There was no change in boot times.

I cannot conclude on the effectiveness of repositioning the blue CPU_RST wire to the top of the board. As I did not try it independently of other fixes, but it appears to have had no effect, and is easier to install and keep away from the coils, So i will be using this point in the future. It can't hurt can it?

Just like to thank XJonnyGunsX , jaycboy and Martin C for their creative input into this.

Have cleaned up the console, to finish my refurbishment of it.

 

[Martin C]

Thanks for your input, however it's important to note that positioning of CPU_PLL_BYPASS and CPU_RST wires WILL make a difference. It's just in your case you didn't see (or experience) as the cap helps filter noise from CPU_PLL_BYPASS.

 

[WNYConsoles]

See my attached picture and see this image link for how I install wires on Phat models - http://wnyconsoleservices.com/photogallery/index.php/XBOX-RGH-Falcon-FULL-QSB/IMG_4171

 

[Vest1ge]

Thanks for your input, however it's important to note that positioning of CPU_PLL_BYPASS and CPU_RST wires WILL make a difference. It's just in your case you didn't see (or experience) as the cap helps filter noise from CPU_PLL_BYPASS.

Little confused by this message. It was a combination of the positioning of the wires, and the capacitor filtering the noise, that made the console work more effectively. Just you make it sound like I out-ruled the wire positioning.

 

[mechgamer123]

Did you try putting cpu_rst on the top of the mobo?

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[Vest1ge]

Did you try putting cpu_rst on the top of the mobo?

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Read posts before posting! then you would see five posts ago, I tested various methods and that was one of them......

 

[Martin C]

Little confused by this message. It was a combination of the positioning of the wires, and the capacitor filtering the noise, that made the console work more effectively. Just you make it sound like I out-ruled the wire positioning.

I misread your summary!

What was your final config to get it booting after 1-2 cycles?