Poll: LFRAME/D0 Rebuild board

[metalgear]

great thinking my man...much like the corrupt saved games in build 1753 or what ever it was they fixed it in 1959 and now its present again in 2913. Also what if you dont want to run the latest bios or an x3 bios? A hardware solution is truely the only answer.

This new board should also be incuded with the x3 as an option or for new installs. I personally used the wire rebuild on mine. And this new board would be awesome. And wouldnt be an issue.

Why buy an X3 if your not using the X3 bios? Would you buy A harley davidson and rip out the motor to put in A lawn mower engine? or buy a BMW just to bring it home and install A HUGO motor? it doesn't make sense does it? So why get an X3 to put another bios in it? Team X is on the ball and if it could be fixed with the software would it not be better to just do the upgrade? when my P.C crashed last week rather than putting in A new DVD burner I just went to the manafacture website and put in the new driver for the burner rather going back to the store, Exchabging the drive come home make the switch etc... you get the point, but what ever I'm A noob what do I know.

 

[burgan]

metalgear i agree 100 percent. i would rather solder the new pcb poard to my head than open my xbox up again and resolder to my motherboard.

 

[BlackSabbath]

great thinking my man...much like the corrupt saved games in build 1753 or what ever it was they fixed it in 1959 and now its present again in 2913. Also what if you dont want to run the latest bios or an x3 bios? A hardware solution is truely the only answer.

This new board should also be incuded with the x3 as an option or for new installs. I personally used the wire rebuild on mine. And this new board would be awesome. And wouldnt be an issue.

WHY would you NOT run a Xecuter bios on an Xecuter CHIP?

 

[burgan]

not sure it really is an issue. i am by no means an electronics expert but have dabbled with PIC chips and the like. it seems like pulling lframe to 0 volts and getting about 60ma of current isn't that big of a deal. there has to be something inthe chipset that is limiting the current otherwise a direct connection to ground would instantly blow the chip. morevoer many cmos devices can source/sink currents in the vicintity of 100 ma. still if it can be put back to 3.3 volts with a bios it sounds like it wouldn't hurt.

 

[umpa]

I have trust in the team. If they say it can be done in software then I believe them.

I'm sure they will suss it and deliver.

PPL are very demanding on the team. I like the X3 'As Is' but any future upgrade is always a bonus

 

[macel]

The interesting part is that on xbox-scene forums there's another chip designer saying that it can't be done via bios update..the drama continues

 

[TokenUser]

FWIW - here is the thread - down bottom of page, user name is "Hippo".

I'd like to know what mod chips Hippo has written. He appears to be speaking from some point of authority on the subject ... but because he has the engine mounted up front driving the front wheels, and X3 has the engine mounted behind, turbo charged, and driving all four wheels, doesn't mean they have built the same class of device.

 

[tonylott]

I can't help feeling that this is another "problem" that has been blown out of proportion. Let's get things into perspective here... OK so what is the worst that can happen? You may shorten the life of your mobo somewhat.....I stress, that is the worst..

Makes me laugh that some of the people flapping the most about this issue are people who have happily slapped 160GB + hard-drives into their Xbox, causing the operating temperature to rise significantly. Folks, this will shorten the life of your mobo to but nobody is bleating about it.

X is working on it and I am confident that they will have a bios fix way before your mobo fries!!

 

[Floppy Mohawk]

poll is up. Can we sticky this

Don't be rediculous.
How many times do we have to go throught this?

Xecuter himself posted himself the last time this came up that it was bullshit.

 

[zikronix]

Don't be rediculous.
How many times do we have to go throught this?

Xecuter himself posted himself the last time this came up that it was bullshit.

If its bull sh*t then why did they fix a problem that never existed? Im glad team x addressed this issue. Im also glad team x replied on the x-s fourms. This poll was posted due to xecuter saying if the users want a new or alterntive rebuild board then we will make it. "It doesnt matter to him" I would like to see a bios fix and a board personally. Xecuter also stated that "We Will find a workaround for this", HE also stated that "we WILL make a new rebuild to address the problem"

Its not bs it is indeed an issue prolly not as severe as some people are taking it. But it is indeed an issue that needs to be addressed. I dont know about you but I keep all my consoles. I have virtual boys, saturns, Dream casts, nintendos, ataris and the works and I would liek to add my modded xbox to that collection.

Thats why this poll is here. And you know what if xecuter though this thread was crap he would have locked it. But this is the best ways to see if the useres want something like he stated. I told him I would create a poll. He may be alittle rough on the edges some times but he seems like a nice guy. In fact he invited me to reply and address my concerns regarding this particular issue in the bug forum.

A bios fix might fix the problem but what if it crops up again much liek the savegame issue did. I dont want to have to test my box everytime a new bios comes out. I didnt use the original board I used the wire rebuild so putting a board on isnt a problem and neither is it for those that did use the board. A simple remove and resolder.

I love my xecuter products. I love my xbox. I will never own another chip. and I alrady stressed that. This thread is not to cause turblence or havok its meant to be a mature answer to a problem.

If you want it I will build it. You wanted a multi hd mod...there doing it. You wanted skinning...There doing it. You wanted an lcd they did it. You wanted an easy way to setup a new box. They did it.

Some want a fixed lpc rebuild...They offered to do it.

If they dont make one I will move to a smartxx rebuild. so I have to flush two or three pins...If it keeps my box from dying then what ever. I rather give team x my money for yet another outstanding product. There are people that are concerned about this and have just been trolling.

They could sell it individually and they could include it in a bundle. or they could just sell it individually.

 

[burgan]

i don't think unsoldering is a simple matter. it's a personal choice but i would rather keep it the way it is and hope for a bios fix before i resolder.

in my half-baked opinion if it was a true problem it would already have shown up.

 

[zikronix]

Heres an idea make a board release it. It will sell useres have already expressed an intrest if you want to install it fine then install it. If you dont then dont. Have the resellers put on the site if you have a 1.6 or 1.6b you should purchase this optional 1.6b rebuild board this board is not a requirement for 1.6's and is optional with a link to a fixed board. Then say you get the standard rebuild board for free. but it cost x.xx for the rebuild board and might extend the life of your 1.6 or create too packages 1.0-1.5 and 1.6/1.6b

 

[Shibz]

maby instead of a board, he could release an insert that gooes on the pinheader, then the x3 connects to the insert, kinda like the LCD mod connects to the pinheader, then the modchip connects to LCD mod.

 

[zikronix]

maby instead of a board, he could release an insert that gooes on the pinheader, then the x3 connects to the insert, kinda like the LCD mod connects to the pinheader, then the modchip connects to LCD mod.

nah cause it actully needs to connect to the d0 and the lpc

 

[Shibz]

well, it would be connected directly to the LPC via pinheader and the D0 by a wire...

 

[blastinthru]

What circuitry turns on when you turn the D0 back to 3.3v?

What circuitry turns on when you turn the D0 back to 3.3v after booting the bios? Does that just supply power to the old eeprom?

Just wondering.

And by the way, soldering the wire install on a 1.6 does suck. Especially when your eye sight is bad. I had my girlfriend hold the flashlight and the wire while I took a potshot at soldering the spot. Somehow it all worked.

 

[zikronix]

A diagram for convience

A diagram I whipped up to show what "other" temas did to their board to resolve the issue.

 

[djbass]

I would prefer the issue were fixed in BIOS or not at all. I trust TeamX enough that if they can't fix it in BIOS and they say it wont harm things then I'll leave it at that.

 

[jonarvid]

Maybe this fix isn't very necessary. But consumers are more or less "demanding" it. Ok, so Xecuter tries to satisfy the users who make unecessary requirements. So he gets blasted for "lying" and things like that. He said this was not a problem, and he hasn't changed his tune, he has just agreed to do what people want him to do.

I don't think it's necessary, but at least Xecuter is trying to please the paranoid users out there. Think of it as a safety blanket, it won't make you safer, but you'll feel safer.

Remember that you have already made modifications to your xbox that was not meant to be done when it was designed. So noone can expect their xboxes to live forever, and reasons for them dying could be solders failing (after a while), temperature over time being too high (because of the HD), things being done to the MB when installing and so on.

So relax. If Wecuter say s that this REALLY is a problem, then we can start worrying.

 

[metalgear]

Well here is A post from team smartXX
In it they say ,And I quote..
"Q: Is Lframe Grounding Dangerous ?
A: Basically, we not say Yes/No… atm no problems had been reported and we should not panic. But SmartXX has worked on this task and solved this issue."
AND it goes on to say
"Q: If you see no problem, why a new Board with new technology.
A: SmartXX is not like other Teams, who only want to make the maximum profit. SmartXX invested Money to build the "best" solution and we not care about some extra money." ETC........

You can read the whole thing here
http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEpVAZZylkZbCFxIId.php

They say no problems reported and we should not PANIC???? Then they go on to say that they have worked on and solved this issue??? so how do you solve An issue that isn't an issue to begin with?? WTF?? Again let me REiderate an earlier point If this was Honeslty and Truely A real problem doesn't it go withiut say that Xecuter would have fixed it, AGAIN team smartXX basically admits to fixing a problem that doesn't really exist. MAN i'm confused,