Real reason for recall of cords

linuxn00b2004

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Now... I know this is probably news you have all read by now, but I guess I'll say it regardless.

Microsoft lied. The power cord is not at fault. It's the XBoxes themselves that have the problem.

Now, recall what the PSU on the inside looks like. It's seperate from the mobo, correct? Now, take a look at where the cord plugs in. It's a seperate plastic piece from the case. Two little metal rods connect it to the PSU. This is where the problem comes in. Whenever you plug the cord in and take it out, it puts pressure on these legs. They are jerked around. On the alpha PSUs in 1.0s and 1.1s, the solder points on the bottom of these "legs" were too wimpy. If a cord is plugged in and taken out often enough, the solder points will become loose/disconnected from the PSU. The causes sparks to fly everytime one bumps the cord.

The real solution? Microsoft should have recalled ALL 1.0s and 1.1 XBoxes and replaced the PSUs. However, they are money grubbing corporate executives. They decided, instead of recalling them, to give us new cords for the 1.0s and 1.1s. How does that fix anything?

Know that huge obnoxious hair-dryer style thingie we're getting? All it does is detect the voltage diffence that occurs when the PSU sparks, and cuts off the power to the XBox! It doesn't fix anything! It's a complete and utter bandage. It really makes me mad, because it doesn't fix the problem.

Now, what can we do? Since we are all modders and have already violated our warrenties, we can open the XBox and fix what M$ should have done themselves.

If you have a PSU from a 1.0 or a 1.1, take it out (be careful!) and examine the bottom. Take notice where the solder points connect to the cord reciever. We need to take a little bit of solder (not very much!) and create a more solid connection between the board and those rods. Then, making sure you didn't short anything, put it back in. Next, take a little bit of super glue or hot glue and SOLIDLY glue the cord receiver to the XBox case itself. That way, whenever you put the cord in or take it out, the plasic connector doesn't move. It will not weaken the solder joints.

If anybody else comes up with a better solution, please tell!

- Greg
 

Cra41g

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Well said Greg! Microsoft seem to have gone down the line where the PSU will become faulty, basically on ware-and-tare. If they'd provided decent PSUs in the first place none of this would have happened! They're simply getting the easy way out of a problem that shouldn't have occured in the first place - the power supplies should be robust enough to last.

In a way they're doing the right thing from a safety point of view - but to the owners of Xbox's, they're sending out a great big 'up your ass, customer - if your PSU fails, give us more money by buying a new Xbox!'.

Maybe they realised the full extent of the f*ck-up they'd made, calculated the cost implications, and then fell off their seats, fearing their bonus for this year wouldn't be as large as last year's!
 
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rh387

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it was this reason that i was able to get my 1.0 xbox. it sparked out the back and the guy went out and got an xbox and said i could have his old one if i got his gamesaves for him. i was just talking on how stupid it is for these cords to be "fixing" the problem. we should send a report of the problem into somewhere that it can be more widely available and send in pics of the problem to let people know what is actually going on.
 

pgr2

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well said indeed

it happened to me, the power cord plug in moves around and when it does so, the wires attached to the power cord port move around and eventually get separated from the holes that they are going through on the power supply
I could turn on the xbox, and play it, but if someone bumped the cable or if u move the xbox, the cable would move the loose connection inside and start to spark a little bit but u could hear that something was messed up. The xbox shut off once the connection inside was moved a bit(obviously)
My dad took the power supply in to his work and got a guy to solder the wires back to their connection holes. these points are pretty small and fairly close together. (No xboxes was killed in this incident)

thats my story, so if your power cord port thing is loose or moves around a bit, i suggest taking the xbox apart and looking at the wires coming off the power supply and seeing if the wires are loose from the holes.

Theres nothing worse than hearing small zapping sounds, seeing small sparks, and smelling burnt plastic =)
 

linuxn00b2004

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True that! :)

My XBox currently does this. It makes little crackling noises when I plug it in, so if I find time this weekend, I'm going to fix it. It's not causing me any problems right now (I'm not moving it around at all), but it will in the future. So, I had better fix it while I'm ahead!

- Greg
 

bigfathairybiker

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Ideally you shouldn't plug the power cord into the xbox while the mains connected at the other end. You should put the plug in the mains socket last!

Plugging in a live power cord into the xbox can cause a lot more damage than just a few sparks. Sometimes the PSU can pack up!

I've seen this with other items like VCR's and Radios.
 

desolate_one

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yea that happened to me, the psu im my xbox popped. so i replaced it, was kinda cheap though. but the new one works a treat. too bad my mate stood on motherboard the other day and fukd it hardcore.
 

desolate_one

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lol no i had the xbox open and went on my balcony for a breather and he locked me out, i told his i was gonna jump off the roof and he got really excited and stood on the motherboard inside the box. its generally ok as i have a solderless install and the motherboard is only £50 to repair, which he is paying for of coarse. the only annoying bit is the inconvenience. the xbox still boots but just keep freezing. i unlocked ma hdd cause i could still get into the x3 bios and then i booted with chip disabled to check the problem and up popped error message 21. meaning that the motherboard of the hdd was dead, but i tried the stock hdd in there and the same problem occured. so its the motherboard. you didnt really want to know that i guess but still its something to read and laugh at lol.:D
 

linuxn00b2004

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Okay, I've gone through and done the repair I stated in my first post. The only thing I do not have is super glue or epoxy. I would highly recommend that everybody with a 1.0 and 1.1 XBox, at the very least, make sure to go through and resolder: it feels MUCH more secure now. It completely fixed the problem.

It's such an easy thing to do; Microsoft really sucks. Even if they had everybody send them their XBoxes for the repair work, they could get each one done in less then five minutes. Yes, yes, I know: five minutes * 5 million XBoxes = a LOT of time and money. However, they owe it to each and every one of their customers. We bought their defective machines: they ought to fix it (granted... it wouldn't apply to anyone on this site... we've all chipped our XBoxes, but y'all get what I'm saying :)).

Cr41g makes an excellent point when he said, "In a way they're doing the right thing from a safety point of view - but to the owners of Xbox's, they're sending out a great big 'up your ass, customer - if your PSU fails, give us more money by buying a new Xbox!".

If non-modders knew the extent of how much M$ is ripping them off, then somebody's head would roll! It is absolute robbery. I'll be be buying everything from Penguin Computing or Apple, and the PS3 when it comes out... anything but Microshaft. 'Course, anybody who has read many of my previous posts knows how I stand on this issue. :) I get on my soap box sometimes and I can't shut-up!

- Greg
 
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If i sent my boxes in to M$, I'd have quite the price to pay myself. ;D ;D
 

linuxn00b2004

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Ooooh, somebody ought to hold me back! Microsoft is making me FURIOUS. Has anybody visited XBox Scene today? Microsoft is claiming that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the PSUs!

Read this!

I know there is something wrong with the Fox PSUs, because I fixed the one in my XBox! And I also know that many other people have had problems with them! It's plainly obvious to any modder. In fact, they further insult our intelligence by blaming the so-called, "sustained overvoltage" on downed power-lines and bad wiring in a home. "Oh! Wow, I'm stupid! Of COURSE it was excessive voltage that made my cord receiver extremely loose!" Man, in my opinion, this truely deserves a class-action suit.

I think after I get my Engineering degree, I'm going to begin law school. I do love law; it's really interesting. And, as an added bonus, I could specialize in Anti-Trust, and attack large companies that hold monopolies like Microsoft, EA, etc. If there is one pet hate I have, it's a monopoly. 'Course, hopefully, in 5 years (engineering typically takes longer than four years) Microsoft will have run it's course and dropped significantly in market percentage. I would really like to see Apple have 40-50% of the market, because they are so innovative and creative. Love them or hate them, you do have to admit: they are very innovative. A tad expensive, yes, but I'll buy their stuff over M$'s any day of the week.

Okay, I went off on a tangent there. So, in summary:
1) Microsoft lied
2) Microsoft pretends we are stupid
3) Microsoft makes the lie bigger

- Greg
 

ThePanda

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this same thing happened to my PS1 it was a real pain cause i was playin Final Fantasy 7 for a extended period of time without constant saving and it always shut on and off on any movement around it but anyways i just cracked it open and soldered it back and bang it works now
 

rh387

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alright...i say anyone who has one that hasn't fixed it yet, take a good clear pic of the PSU and we send them all to somewhere where this knowledge can be made more public. show them what microsoft's lies are.
 

desolate_one

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well i replaced mine cause mine was loose, so im going to leave a pic on here if you want it. actually ill leave a mini clip of how wobbly it is.:eek: ah ok i cant do it file too big and a piccy aint that good, take it from me, its quite bad.
 

linuxn00b2004

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Where shall we send our pictures and reports too? You're correct: this needs to become 100% public. Otherwise, people will be buying new XBoxes when Microsoft really sold them the bad product. Man, they are crooks!

- Greg
 

rh387

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i dont know, maybe the better business bureau in the us?