HITACHI NON-79 Strange Hitachi 47 Issue(or should it go in 79 or JTAG)- 1st post, Long Time Lurker

[sivioke]

Hi there - Wow, it's my first post! 2 years after first coming to the site and a number of xboxs modded, I've run into my first problem that I was not able to solve just by trolling the forums... which says alot about the knowldge amassed here!

Anyway not sure if this should be placed in Non-79, 79 or JTAG...this is a bit complex so I'll give the details as quickly as I can...

PROBLEM: I purchased a broken xbox from a coworker for $20. They told me that the xbox was not reading discs and that it HAD had RROD at one time. The RROD previously been fixed via the penny trick (I know not the prefered method but I didn't do it - and its working! :biggrin but the drive is still not reading discs (Original games, Backups, DVDs, Music CD's etc.). When you put a disc in, be it a game or a movie, the drive keeps saying "Play DVD"

To make a long story short, after dumping the original firmware and Key, I flashed LT to it... still all I get is "Play DVD". I assumed that it could be a bad laser and atempted to adjust the POT however that didn't seem to do anything eihter.

Next I decided to buy a replacemtn drive. The drive I received was a brand new Hitachi 79. Because I didn't want to mess around with AP2.5 I went ahead and sawped the 47 PCB into the 79 drive... fired it up everything seems to check out in Jungle Flasher, put it in the XBOX, same result as above... WTF!?

Upon reading about other people with simmilar issues, I have come to two conclusions.. 1. I had a bad dump of the original firmware/Key or 2. The mother board in this xbox is for a non-Hitachi Drive?

So my questions are:

1. What are your thoughts on the above senerio?
2. How can I determine what DVD drive my mother board should have
3, If the MOBO did not come with Hitachi can I spoof it? (not clear on that never had to)
4. What's the easiest way to get the KEY from the mother board?
5. If I have to get the key from the Mobo, should i just JTAG it? I've not JTAG an xbox yet...
6. If I JTAG it, a JTAG box can use any model DVD drive correct?


Despite posting in the Newbie forum I have stumbled my way through moding a number of xboxs including a slim via kamikaze hack.... so I am semi knowedlegable (or I can at least read and follow directions)

Thanks for the help - this site and the products are amazing!

 

[HcKrSklz]

definitely sounds like a bad flash. IF someone put a hitachi drive in as a replacement and didn't manually spoof the key from the original drive, this would be the end result. Only way to get the key is to either rgh or jtag it. Jtag would be the best option but first question, is the dash expoitable? 7371 or lower you should be able to jtag it to retrieve the key. If you are able to jtag it doesn't matter what drive you use...

 

[jsinger47]

1. someone swapped out the drive when it was RROD, now the drive in there has the wrong key
2. if your dash is 7371 or lower, you can JTAG it. If you dash is pre-14717, you can RGH it to retreive your keyvault which contains the correct OSIG and DVD key
2a. i'm assuming you have a xenon motherboard
3. spoofing is bad, once you get your keyvault, you should put the correct type of drive in there
4. see #2
5. see #2
6. yes, JTAG ignores OSIG

beware, if you have a xenon, RGH sucks and often doesn't work at all.

if you have a non-xenon box, RGH is much more reliable than with xenons

 

[sivioke]

Thanks for the super quick response!

It's unfortunate that my suspicion is correct in that someone probably swapped out my drive when it had RROD...

As to my xbox I've looked closer..

MOBO = appears to be a Falcon based on visual comparison ( It does have HDMI so that rules out xenon I believe)

DASH = 2.0.14719.0 - does this mean there is no exploit avaliable at this time to pull the key from mobo or to JTAG?

Also - asking for opinion- if I am going to the trouble of getting key from Mobo - should I just go all the way and make this a JTAG box? How much additional effore is it?

I have two other functioning xboxes neither have been jtag/rgh - I have really only scratched the surface of JTAG so i don't know the process in depth - I had originally wanted to keep this one due to not doing AP2.5 checks but maybe thats not a big deal...?

Thanks again

 

[jsinger47]

Thanks for the super quick response!

It's unfortunate that my suspicion is correct in that someone probably swapped out my drive when it had RROD...

As to my xbox I've looked closer..

MOBO = appears to be a Falcon based on visual comparison ( It does have HDMI so that rules out xenon I believe)

DASH = 2.0.14719.0 - does this mean there is no exploit avaliable at this time to pull the key from mobo or to JTAG?

Also - asking for opinion- if I am going to the trouble of getting key from Mobo - should I just go all the way and make this a JTAG box? How much additional effore is it?

I have two other functioning xboxes neither have been jtag/rgh - I have really only scratched the surface of JTAG so i don't know the process in depth - I had originally wanted to keep this one due to not doing AP2.5 checks but maybe thats not a big deal...?

Thanks again

RGH2 it, and leave it that way

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[sivioke]

RGH2 it is then! I've got some reading to do.... but first while I've got your attention couple more quick "dumb" questions..

1. Just to confirm - despite having the current dash, 2.0.14719.0, I will still be able to do the RGH2?

2. What should I do/buy to make this as simple as possible, cool runner and nandx?

3. What's with the upcoming RGH3 tool advertised on the front page - is that worth waiting for?

4. Aside from just reading the forums - any link/post in particular that I should check out about the process?

I'll keep you posted on my progress!

 

[dantun]

Download jrunner and use the manual in there for the guide, you will need a coolrunner rev c, NAND x v3 and NAND x to coolrunner cable and your away. I had the same problem bought a faulty console with the wrong key and had to rgh it so I just left it rgh and sold it.

 

[sivioke]

....perhaps I should open a new thread for this ... anyway, I went ahead and ordered a CoolRunner rec. C and Nandx RGH edition from xconsoles, which I believe is everything I will need. (correct?)

I've been doing some reading and research into the process (there is alot of info and hard to always tell what's current or good for a RGH noob!) But please explain the difference between RGH1 and RGH2.

I came across a thread that was saying RGH1 on falcon has almost instant boot times vs Variable boot times w/ RGH2... is this correct to say? I take it RGH1 is not avaliable to me due to my dash board version? Instant boot times sound like a good thing... so wondering why I can't go that route...

As to the installation of the cool runner, it would appear that the solder points are the same for all phat mobos? The difference in process comes into play on the software side? Are the solder connection points the same with cool runner rev b as they are with rev c?

Finally - should I have waited and got the Demon vs the cool runner? I don't quite understand the difference... what's that going to do for me taht cool runner wont?

... crap... can I slip one more question in here... do I keep seeing posts that imply you can connect to XBL with a rgh console? I know about xlink xai or whatever its called...

Thanks again!!!!!