The lframe discussion again - is your 1.6 gonna die

[zikronix]

based off of this thread

http://forums.xbox-scene.com/index.php?showtopic=305938&st=0

and this thread

http://www.teamxecuter.com/index.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=23738

Managed to measure voltage with an X3. 3v with modchip disabled (no surprise ) 0v with chip enabled. So i guess its a problem with this chip. also i measured voltages with no dvd or hdd plugged in if it makes any differnce, i doubt it would have..

I believe this can be fixed via eprom or bios odly enough the chip that team x bashes in their thread doesnt seem to have this problem.

I love my X3 but team x needs to fix this



EDIT: After testing the Xenium, SmartXX and X3 all have this problem. Despite what Xenium says. Team Xecuter should acknowledge this problem and come up with a fix. If this can be fixed via EPROM or BIOS on the X3. If Xecuter beats the others to the punch by admitting they have a problem and this is what we did to fix it. It would send shock waves through the market. Potentially selling more chips. Or they could be like Xenium and LIE to their customers. If the resistor fix is what we need to do fine. But we need confirmation from Xecuter if this can be fixed via software.

Xecuter ?

 

[jROC]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

remember that no one has seen any of these dead boxes yet.
so we won't really know until it happens

even if it is a problem for xecuter..they won't admit it.. cause then no one buys their chips

Xecuter might also delete your post too..since they like to do that alot.

jROC

 

[zikronix]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

I do honestly believe this is a problem. How serious I dont knoiw but something liek this wouldnt have attracted the biggest and smartes memebers on the scene. and if they delete my post thats just not right. Im not bashing there products by any means. I love my x2 and x3
I do know however the information stated in those threads is correct about m$ using the same bios loading methods yada yada yada.

My main thing is that xenium claims it doesnt affect them. (which i think it does) It defintly doesnt effect the duox If i have to live with it fine I will perform that mod. But if it can be fixed via software then rock on.

 

[jROC]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

I'm not saying that its not an issue with some chips... it very well could be

Simple...solution buy the Xenium.. i've installed hundreds of them.. Along with the x2.3, x2.6 and X3's

So for not a single dead box... i tell people about the issue and they usually say " ok.. i want a xenium then...just to be safe"

So in the end who loses.. the chip makers that choose not to respond to the issue...TeamX mainly.

Since teamX chooses not to even acknowledge it...and Xodus responded within minutes.. guess who loses the business.

jROC

 

[zikronix]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

there are popel out there that have supposedly tested the xenium though and they have the same problem. I dont own one so i dont know. but I dont see how this couldnt be fixed via software if it is indeed an issue hell if they want to send me a pm or an email telling me rather it is or isnt that would be cool. It still wouldnt stop my bussiness with them. I belive the 1.6 will be the last version from microsoft. and the x3 that last chip for the xbox until the x2 which is why i want my sh*t to last. They said it doesnt affect them however electronics testing shows different

 

[jROC]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

i've got my console wired for X2.6 , X3 and Xenium so i can measure the voltage on the D0 line for all 3 chips... a scope would be better.. but unfortunately i don't have one available..
maybe i can get this done tomorrow if i'm not so busy with mods.

jRoC

 

[zikronix]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

yes do this to confirm my findings....hell i could be wrong. do all three chips. let me know.

 

[jROC]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

Inital Findings.. Tested in Crystal Box (2004-09-09)
Version 1.6 (Brand new from store)
Tested with all components plugged in - AV Cable / Power and Network cables..DVDRom and Original HD. External USB Connector also plugged in.

XeniumIce - Measured D0 (Xenium OS 2.0.1)

At Xenium OS - D0 = 0v
At MS Dashboard ( Chip disabled) - D0 = 3.3v
Chip enabled with Evox M8 PLus 1.6 - D0 = 0v

EDIT - Chip booted then D0 line disconnected. Chip still running.. but can not boot game backups without D0 connected. The xbox just freezes. D0 must be left connected at all times in order to work properly.

Can't be 100% sure without the scope.. but it appears that the Xenium keeps the D0 line pulled low.. this strongly contradicts what Xenium says about pulsing the line.. i would have to strongly disagree... my meter reads a dead 0v .. no fluctuations. Period.

Will continue testing X Chips in the morning.

jROC

 

[Pyroholic]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

you should try to put a multimeter between the lframe and the d0 point on the chip so you can measure the current, just to be sure that there is power btw, does anyone know what would happen if you disconnect the lframe after booting the modchip?

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

Wait til the guy testing wakes up and tests the 1.6 - im awaiting the results coz i heard too many different stories - there has to be a reason why Xteam doesnt reply to these posts - being either 1. they can't answer because they don't know how to fix it? or 2. Its all pants and think we should ignore it...either way would be nice for a quick comment/statement on this subject since alot of peoples faith in X3 lies in it...

 

[jROC]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

Please see the xenium results regarding the removal of the D0 wire after the chip is booted.

jROC

 

[DiscoBiscuit]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

Please see the xenium results regarding the removal of the D0 wire after the chip is booted.

jROC

if you could post the xecuter3 chip results that would be great mate

 

[zikronix]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

so it does appear the xenium has this problem...good
now how about the x3
My question to Xecuter is if this problem does indeed exist can it be fixed bia software. (IE bios flash, eprom upgrade to the x3)

 

[naoneo]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

i have a 1.6, and an x3, if it dies and i have to buy a new one, ill be getting an x3 for it, even if it's a 1.6 or 1.6b.

i highly doubt it will die anytime soon however, i agree if there is a problem xecuter should work to address it, but the fact remains, not a single person with an x3 and 1.6/1.6b has reported that their machine "suddenly died", other than the people f**king up the install that is, people need to RTFM.

if xenium "address" the issue, good for them, i personally wont be ripping out my x3 in favour of their chips until there is solid proof that hundreds of users machines are dying because of the x3.

current death count from this "issue", nill

honestly, i think its just a "possibility", and xenium is milking it to sell more chips, but then again, why listen to my opinion, im a member of the xecuter forums, so i biased, even though i instal roughly 15-20 chips a day, from aladins, to smartx , all the way through to xecuters entire range, and not a single one of my customers has ever called me back with any problem from any of the x3/1.6 machines i've done.

again, until this "issue" becomes more than a chip selling rumor, i wont be shunning x3's

 

[jROC]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

X3 test Results are IN

Crystal Xbox Edition - 2004-09-10 (different console that the Xenium test)
V1.6

D0 Tested with X3 and X3 1959 1.6 Bios

D0 at X3 config screen = 0v
D0 with chip disabled at Ms Dashboard - 3.3V
D0 with chip enabled = 0v

Results are the exact same as the Xenium...both chips have the same 'problem'

jROC

 

[zikronix]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

I wouldnt trade my x3 for anything...well maybe a cold beer and a blowjob...prolly not even then. I just want to know if it is a true problem. Can it be fixed via an eprom or bios upgrade and if not should we do the resistor install. If we can prove that the Xenium and smartx both have this problem along with the x3 if it does (assuming it does) its a matter of which team can fix it the fastest. It takes a bigger man to admit you have a problem and adress concerns. then to deny it or not reply. We have already proven the Xenium does have this problem. They perfer to lie to there customers. So they can take there xenium os and there chip and shove it. I just want xecuter to say yes or no this is a problem. Heres what you can do to fix it. Of course with a disclaimer that they havnt seen one dead xbox yet from it. If the come back and say no its not a problem and we measure the voltage and it says otherwise that would be more damaging. then the problem its self.

Xecuter this is in your hands. Do we have a problem or not and what can you or we do to fix it if it is indeed an issue.


I await for jroc to leasure the votage of the X2.6 and X3




EDIT: OK the X3 and Xenium do have this problem. Now TeamXecuter is this somthing that can be fixed by updating the eprom on the chip or with a bios flash. Or should we do the resistor mod. Lets beat the competition to a fix.

 

[Audi90Quattro]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

If you consider the resistor install a fix than the Smartxx guys already beat TeamX and Xenium to it. I was reading in the smartxx forums a couple weeks back when I was researching what chip to buy. I cant tell you how relieved I was when I found out I had a 1.4 box.

 

[Hudson]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

All very well measuring the voltages, but the real question is how much current is being sunk on the line?

 

[jROC]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

Someone else has already measued the currents i believe.. and we know they are definately higher.. the real questions is..

"Are the resulting currents high enough to damage the xbox over an extended period of time"

Since we don't even know the technical specs on the motherboard componenets.. a current measurement is almost irrelevant.
only Bill Gates could answer that

I have an idea.. Team X.. why don't you measure it ..

jROC

 

[Hudson]

Re: The lframe discussion yet again - is your 1.6 gonna die

Yeah I meant has anyone measured the currents with a X3 chip?