LITEON 9504 TX PCB Not Entering Vendor

[diaboliq20]

all probe 3s have a button I believe....I havenever seen one without

 

[BraveH43]

I am happy things are being sorted out. All I wanted to figure out was what the problem was, and the ways we could solve it. Everyone told me the ONLY solution was x360usb pro. But clearly that is not true. And saved me a lot of money.

But now that we have the truth about the slim drives, I will probably cash out for the x360usb pro when it is available because I trust the products more when I am getting the answers that make the most sense.

It is always best to be humble when you need help. However, it is just as important to be humble when helping someone.

Sadly some mods on JF IRC were far from it.

The x360usb pro is very useful, especially because it can also be used with HDDs if required.

Thanks again BraveH43

P.S. I think I was confused by the first guide because my CK3 Probe 3 doesn't have a button to push..or am I misreading. Either that or I got ripped off lol.

Yeah Probe 3 should have a Push button on the cable that comes with it.

Also admittedly i was more than happy to help with your problem, though i had been a bit pissed off at another users outburst on irc previous to you! (you know what i mean)

In addition, the Mods on IRC do it out of helpfulness - they are not paid and gain nothing from being there. We see hundreds of users asking identical questions everyday - you must understand things get a little tedious. Granted they mostly advise a X360USB pro for your situation - and it is by far the safest most reliable method in that situation. the guys in there recommend it as VIA can be wholly unreliable for flashing slims! - because of this many have not tried various thing on slims with VIA.

I only knew of the first method i suggested because i tested it when another user had your issue!

Anyway - glad you got sorted!:wink:

 

[deadliner]

Man, enough about the irc thing. If people are that annoyed by being asked similar questions - then maybe they shouldn't be there answering questions. It's not my chipset as it worked perfectly fine, zero issues, for every flash, on the stock PCB. Anyway, my apologies for what was said in chat yesterday. Like I said, I was quite flustered from getting the pretty much the same treatment that vinnymac did. I'm pretty sure you can understand.

With all of that aside now, I'll be ordering more TX products soon. But until then can I simply take a plain ordinary wire and wrap one bare end around a sewing needle and electrical tape it to keep it in place, then stick the other bare end into GND and the other end with the needle to MPX01? Also, by GND do you mean from the dvd drives power cable? If so, which slot? I looked at a pic and it shows pin 5, 7, 9 and 11 as all GND and I just want to be certain.

Thanks again!

 

[BraveH43]

Man, enough about the irc thing. If people are that annoyed by being asked similar questions - then maybe they shouldn't be there answering questions. It's not my chipset as it worked perfectly fine, zero issues, for every flash, on the stock PCB. Anyway, my apologies for what was said in chat yesterday. Like I said, I was quite flustered from getting the pretty much the same treatment that vinnymac did. I'm pretty sure you can understand.

With all of that aside now, I'll be ordering more TX products soon. But until then can I simply take a plain ordinary wire and wrap one bare end around a sewing needle and electrical tape it to keep it in place, then stick the other bare end into GND and the other end with the needle to MPX01? Also, by GND do you mean from the dvd drives power cable? If so, which slot? I looked at a pic and it shows pin 5, 7, 9 and 11 as all GND and I just want to be certain.

Thanks again!

:facepalm:
Ok - I will say this one more time!

IT IS YOUR CHIPSET!

I have explained why there is a difference between before and now!

However - it's not impossible as i also said before.

Yes a wire from GND to probe the mpx01 using my previous instructions - will work!

yes those pins are correct!

 

[vinnymac]

deadliner, I am sorry but BraveH43 is right, if you would like someone elses explanation I think it is best put this way:

TIP

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What most 9504 should have done or did:
Step 1: 9504, get key, chipset works! flash v1.9 cfw
Step 2: flash stock to 9504, chipset works!
Step 3: update dash.
Step 4: 0272 stock, chipset doesn't work!.
Step 5: TX PCB replacement, chipset works! (it is a blank PCB, of course it works!) flashed with 0272 v1.91 cfw.
Step 6: 0272, intro device, chipset doesn't work!, need probe/x360usbpro!
Future Step 7: 0272, intro device with probe/x360usb, chipset works!
( repeat Step 7 for every new c4eva firmware )

Basically, 9504s work GREAT with our chipset. When turned into 0272s they can no longer be put into vendor mode with our chipset. When we recieved our PCB Replacements they were blank so of course they worked, they work with MOST(if not all) chipsets. But then we went ahead turned them back into 0272s.

Basically, at every step/turn when a drive is a 0225/0272 or otherwise, our chipsets CANNOT read them (without some assistance). We are just unlucky people. If we so happened to have a chipset that continued to work with Slims as well as Phats, then we would be good, but we are a group that will need to do probe/x360usb pro in order to get to vendor mode.

I hope this explanation is enough, that is all the information I have gathered from this situation.

LASTLY:
If you are a SUPER STUBBORN person, and don't believe me.
Take your old PCB from Step 4 with the Stock 0272 firmware on it.
And try to get to vendor mode. You WILL NOT get their without the right chipset/probe/x360usb pro.
THIS PROVES THAT 0272 AKA LOCKED SPI IS STOPPING YOUR FAVORITE CHIPSET FROM DOING ITS THANG!
So if any n00b is raging, please don't forget, 0272 locks your SPI and now ALL chipsets will be picky, except x360usb pro.
If you would like to help Slim users out, post your chipset info and drive here, so we can learn what works and doesn't!

Where to find a CK3 Probe.
Where to find a X360USB Pro.
JF Guide for 0272/0225/etc.

 

[x360ccm]

deadliner, I am sorry but BraveH43 is right, if you would like someone elses explanation I think it is best put this way:

What most 9504 should have done or did:
Step 1: 9504, get key, chipset works! flash v1.9 cfw
Step 2: flash stock to 9504, chipset works!
Step 3: update dash.
Step 4: 0272 stock, chipset doesn't work!.
Step 5: TX PCB replacement, chipset works! (it is a blank chipset) flashed with 0272 v1.91 cfw.
Step 6: 0272, intro device, chipset doesn't work! need probe/x360usbpro.

Future Step 7: 0272, intro device with probe/x360usb, chipset works!

Basically, 9504s work GREAT with our chipset. When turned into 0272s they can no longer be put into vendor mode with our chipset. When we recieved our PCB Replacements they were blank so of course they worked, they work with MOST(if not all) chipsets. But then we went ahead turned them back into 0272s.

Basically, at every step/turn when a drive is a 0225/0272 or otherwise, our chipsets CANNOT read them (without some assistance).

So this is why we need other methods, aka probing/x360usb pro.

I hope this explanation is enough, that is all the information I have gathered from this situation.

so what you are saying is that the 0272 drive is as temperamental with chipset,just like the 0225 drive.am i right in what you are trying to say.:rolleyes2:

 

[vinnymac]

Well, I think so. I think what you are saying I am saying, is that 0272s and 0225s are both unpredictable when it comes to what chipset you are using. We have no database that says exactly what WORKS and what DOES NOT. However, what we do know is that probing and x360usb pro DOES work. So there are ways around this unpredictability.

Like if someone bought a new box today, and it had a 9504, he has a higher chance of it working with ANY chipset, because his SPI status is unlocked and 9504s are easier to get to vendor.
But any user with a SPI status that is locked has a lower chance of chipset compatibility especially with firmwares like 0272/0225. Thus must use the other methods.

Really hope this helps the others...

 

[BraveH43]

so what you are saying is that the 0272 drive is as temperamental with chipset,just like the 0225 drive.am i right in what you are trying to say.:rolleyes2:

All Locked Liteon slims! (if you prefer)

 

[x360ccm]

All Locked Liteon slims! (if you prefer)

i no they all lock if updated to the newest dash:tongue:

i just wanted to use a big word lol

temperamental:eek2:l

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Well, I think so. I think what you are saying I am saying, is that 0272s and 0225s are both unpredictable when it comes to what chipset you are using. We have no database that says exactly what WORKS and what DOES NOT. However, what we do know is that probing and x360usb pro DOES work. So there are ways around this unpredictability.

Like if someone bought a new box today, and it had a 9504, he has a higher chance of it working with ANY chipset, because his SPI status is unlocked and 9504s are easier to get to vendor.
But any user with a SPI status that is locked has a lower chance of chipset compatibility especially with firmwares like 0272/0225. Thus must use the other methods.

Really hope this helps the others...

well if you look here it might help a little bit hey

http://www.team-xecuter.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63538&highlight=chipsets+0225+drive:tongue:

 

[deadliner]

Can someone please post a good pic of where MPX01 is on the TX PCB? My eyesight is poor and I can't find the magnifying glass.

 

[vinnymac]

Lmao...


Yeah I actually posted on that thread already, and linked to it on my post above as well

Stock:

Red dot identifies MPX01.

TX PCB Replacement: (This isn't my photo, I just edited it, credits to...xecuter I guess)

Red dot identifies MPX01.


Took the photo ASAP lol.

 

[deadliner]

Okay. I got it working with my sewing needle and wire, except for one thing...

It goes into vendor mode fine, and the flash all goes fine, but I can't get it to outro. I have the wp switch on the tx pcb set to WP#=1 and followed the jf tutorial as follows after the successful flash:

Click on the spi status button to change it to 0x8C
Set switch to WP#=0
Press Outra/Reset ATA button

I do that and it just stays at "Sending Vendor Outro to port 0x0000 (my port though, obviously). I click it a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time and nothing. It just stays there and never verifies. Tried reflashing and it does the same thing, can't outro.

Edit: So what I tried was shutting down JF when it was just sitting at "Sending Vendor Outro...", but keeping the CK3 on. Re-started JF and did nothing but click on "Outro/ATA Reset" and I got the "Key has been tested and verified message". Am I all good then? Or do I need to to the Outro after the flash without closing down JF first?

 

[BraveH43]

Okay. I got it working with my sewing needle and wire, except for one thing...

It goes into vendor mode fine, and the flash all goes fine, but I can't get it to outro. I have the wp switch on the tx pcb set to WP#=1 and followed the jf tutorial as follows after the successful flash:

Click on the spi status button to change it to 0x8C
Set switch to WP#=0
Press Outra/Reset ATA button

I do that and it just stays at "Sending Vendor Outro to port 0x0000 (my port though, obviously). I click it a 2nd, 3rd, 4th time and nothing. It just stays there and never verifies. Tried reflashing and it does the same thing, can't outro.

Edit: So what I tried was shutting down JF when it was just sitting at "Sending Vendor Outro...", but keeping the CK3 on. Re-started JF and did nothing but click on "Outro/ATA Reset" and I got the "Key has been tested and verified message". Am I all good then? Or do I need to to the Outro after the flash without closing down JF first?

You "should" be okay - but no guarantees

As i said VIA and slim Lite-on - are NOT a good combination!

 

[deadliner]

I don't have a Via but that's moot at this point. I went ahead and ordered an x360USB but I want to figure some things out before it arrives.

I was in TX irc and stephano (sp?) stated that I should reinstall the stock pcb and make a new dummy file because the latest jf reads more data, and then use that to flash the tx pcb to 1.92. So yeah, I hook up the stock pcb and I'm back at the vendor issue again. The stock pcb is on 0272 with 13599 and stock fw, and it obviously went into vendor mode before with the same intel chipset i'm using now because I had to dump it before I put the tx pcb in. So why won't it go into vendor mode now? It's exactly the same system, and set up exactly the same as it was when I dumped it before installing the tx pcb. There's no reason it shouldn't work when it worked 100% before and nothings changed.

 

[BraveH43]

I don't have a Via but that's moot at this point. I went ahead and ordered an x360USB but I want to figure some things out before it arrives.

I was in TX irc and stephano (sp?) stated that I should reinstall the stock pcb and make a new dummy file because the latest jf reads more data, and then use that to flash the tx pcb to 1.92. So yeah, I hook up the stock pcb and I'm back at the vendor issue again. The stock pcb is on 0272 with 13599 and stock fw, and it obviously went into vendor mode before with the same intel chipset i'm using now because I had to dump it before I put the tx pcb in. So why won't it go into vendor mode now? It's exactly the same system, and set up exactly the same as it was when I dumped it before installing the tx pcb. There's no reason it shouldn't work when it worked 100% before and nothings changed.

So you are saying it was 0272 on 13599 previously and it worked?

If that is the case then you maybe looking at PC issues - conflicting software, updates, or maybe even dubious cables etc

But more than likely - its a chipset issue. Are you on the primary sata port, have you got raid achi turned off etc?

 

[deadliner]

Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. BIOS has SATA is running in IDE mode (by nature Intel z68 changes all ports to the same mode), drive is hooked up to primary/master, tried different cables, yadda, yadda.

Guess I'll just have to wait it out. I just find it very odd. Thanks for all of your help.

 

[vinnymac]

Yeah that is very odd, tbh I am also trying to get my dummy.bin from my stock pcb. I can't. I also orded a x360usb pro, found some stocked . But I want to keep trying because their is no reason not to.

(I have my old Dummy.bin, however when loading it into the latest JF I get a MD5 hash error. I have all the different files from my drive, as well as my 9504 fw backup.)

I am able to get my stock into vendor mode, however I can't get it to give me my dummy. This is what I do:
Step 1: DvdKey32, my drive properties are my 0272 stock pcb, I check off Dummy.bin only, and then I click on SlimKey.
Step 2: Click on no to the prompt for Slim Unlock.
Step 3: Then I click yes to resend the command (power cycle)
Step 4: My drive kicks into 0x72, it tries to extract info.

then I get SlimKey extraction failed.

Any guesses why that happens?

P.S. Why can't someone go into vendor mode FIRST and then get the dummy? It throws up a message, but still, I wonder why it is Slim Key then vendor mode, and cant be the other way around.

 

[deadliner]

I can't even get into vendor mode with probing on the stock PCB, let alone get the dummy.bin from it.

But yeah, It's very odd. I shouldn't have to even TRY probing it when it worked before. I give up until the the x360usb arrives.

 

[~Craig~]

My x360usb pro should be here tomorrow. So should I get my dummy file from my original pcb again even tho my exisiting dummy file is working correctly?

 

[vinnymac]

Their is no harm in using the latest JF to get your dummy.bin. So go right ahead.

If your current dummy is working thats good, but I believe the latest JF (v1.87) grabs more info on slims.