Has anyone used a conductive pen to install x3 in a version 1.6 xbox?
I'm not a great solderer so I thought I'd try this, any suggestions?
I'm not a great solderer so I thought I'd try this, any suggestions?
V1.6 installation with conductive pen?
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Martin C
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Just pay the money - seriously, if someone reputable fits the chip for you, you'll have a trouble-free chip.
Martin
Martin
Martin C
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Heh - you paid for the chip, but won't pay for it to be fitted.XboxModder1981 said:
How were you going to get the chip fitted prior to ordering it? Surely you must have thought about it (maybe not, I don't know!)?
If you can't solder, what makes you think you can use a conductive pen to link the tiny traces etc without shorting anything? Do you think we suggest you get soldered for the FUN of it?
Go for it - try. Just don't come here asking for help when you screw it up.
I gave you sound advice on getting it working - if you don't want to listen then I'll happily delete posts on problems arising from it.
Martin
Wo, Hang on a minute, I can solder (try reading posts before replying.)
I thought it would be easier to use a conductive pen because the solder points are so small on the pcb, the nib on my conductive pen is finer than the smallest solder tip I can find (1mm soldering tip) so I decided to ask for some advice from the manufactures (Xecuter) forums, I certainly didnt expect a response like this, first off you still hav'nt answered my question, second Is this the type of customer service practiced by all forum moderators?
Allot of people buy Xecuter products the least they deserve is an ethical response to there questions
Customers dont need to be flamed no matter how silly the question is, and they certainly dont need to be threatened with no support if they dont take the advice given by a forum moderator
I have recorded this thread for reference and await a response
Regards
Emmet
I thought it would be easier to use a conductive pen because the solder points are so small on the pcb, the nib on my conductive pen is finer than the smallest solder tip I can find (1mm soldering tip) so I decided to ask for some advice from the manufactures (Xecuter) forums, I certainly didnt expect a response like this, first off you still hav'nt answered my question, second Is this the type of customer service practiced by all forum moderators?
Allot of people buy Xecuter products the least they deserve is an ethical response to there questions
Customers dont need to be flamed no matter how silly the question is, and they certainly dont need to be threatened with no support if they dont take the advice given by a forum moderator
I have recorded this thread for reference and await a response
Regards
Emmet
Bro, with his response being as to the point as it is... I would highly recommend NOT using your conductive pen for that install!!! Solder is the BEST way to do that job- by far!! To answer your question, I would say yes you sure could use that pen for it, but at your own risk...... I personally think that it would be harder than soldering it in!!! Plus, when you put in the pin header that conductive pen stuff wont hold nearly as well as a true solder!!! My 2 cents...
Thanks for the reply, I soldered the pin header its just the some of the smaller points, that my soldering tip is bigger than that, concern me, Ill prob solder it very carefully tho
Thanks
Emmet
Thanks
Emmet
Martin C
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Look at the install methods for the chip:
a. Wires
b. Pinheader
Where does it say we recommend using a conductive pen??
Lets move the example. You buy a TV.
Manufacturers say either:
a. Plug into the mains socket
b. Plug into an extension block
They don't say, "Strip the wires and feed into the mains directly".
Your problem is with my reply.
My problem is that when given sound advice for fitting your chip, you declined to take it. Go figure.
You shove the wrong wire into the wrong hole causing your TV to blow.
What level of support do you think you'll get?
I've advised you not to try - if you decide to go ahead, why should TeamXecuter support you?
Martin
a. Wires
b. Pinheader
Where does it say we recommend using a conductive pen??
Lets move the example. You buy a TV.
Manufacturers say either:
a. Plug into the mains socket
b. Plug into an extension block
They don't say, "Strip the wires and feed into the mains directly".
Your problem is with my reply.
My problem is that when given sound advice for fitting your chip, you declined to take it. Go figure.
Ok - lets look at the TV example again.
You shove the wrong wire into the wrong hole causing your TV to blow.
What level of support do you think you'll get?
I've advised you not to try - if you decide to go ahead, why should TeamXecuter support you?
Martin
Did you get the LPC rebuild PCB with your chip ? If you did, USE IT and forget about the conductive pen ! It makes the LPC soldering a joke. The pin header soldering is already a joke. Neither myself, nor my 2 other friends were experienced at soldering and we modded 5 boxes last weekend in no time. Just make sure you have thin solder and a pencil tip for the iron.XboxModder1981 said:Has anyone used a conductive pen to install x3 in a version 1.6 xbox?
I'm not a great solderer so I thought I'd try this, any suggestions?
I already fried one motherboard using the PCB rebuild. solder flowed underneath it. that was with 15 watt iron.
yes it was my fault; no blame on executer. i took the risk. some of us have succeeded and others like me have failed. i can live with that.
Before you post an opinion look at the overclocking boards: they do it on AMD chips. those chips i am sure get as hot as the 16pin header we have on xbox.
i have no problem in soldering the red, green wires; i even had no problem with D0. my issue is with the LAD2 and LAD3; those points are just not made for soldering. why not consider using the pen or paint?
MartinC i have a lot of respect for you but I am not seeing your objection to what I asked/raised in this thread.
yes it was my fault; no blame on executer. i took the risk. some of us have succeeded and others like me have failed. i can live with that.
Before you post an opinion look at the overclocking boards: they do it on AMD chips. those chips i am sure get as hot as the 16pin header we have on xbox.
i have no problem in soldering the red, green wires; i even had no problem with D0. my issue is with the LAD2 and LAD3; those points are just not made for soldering. why not consider using the pen or paint?
MartinC i have a lot of respect for you but I am not seeing your objection to what I asked/raised in this thread.
Wow. I thought the PCB was simple to do. I'd just melt a dab of solder on the PCB contact point and let it drip over the edge onto the MB. It would go directly onto the correct spot. I also kind of agree that the conductive pen is asking for trouble. The contact points are ALREADY in tight areas. I don't see how that would make your life easier. I DID have to rebuild the LPC manually with wires for 1 mod and I'd STILL go with that method over a conductive pen. It takes quite a bit of patience, but at least you are sure it's connected and the wire insulation prevents anything else from shorting out (for the most part).burgan said:
kowrip
when it works it's easy; when it doesn't it's a nightmare. a LOT of people have had problems with the 1.6 install.
I can solder: i was able to get some of the alternate solder points on top but i think LAD3 was the one that killed me on top. for some reason my xbox simply won't turn on anymore.
not to beat a dead horse but why don't you search the overclockers forums and see how they jumper pins togehter using conductive paint. this potentially could be done with LAD2 and LAD3.
also my idea is to jumper to a small pad that can then solder to. i am NOT saying to trace form the suggested solder point to the pin. That would be more troubling than soldering. my half-baked idea is to trace away in the direction least obtrusive: once there install a small pad to use to jumper back to the pin.
when it works it's easy; when it doesn't it's a nightmare. a LOT of people have had problems with the 1.6 install.
I can solder: i was able to get some of the alternate solder points on top but i think LAD3 was the one that killed me on top. for some reason my xbox simply won't turn on anymore.
not to beat a dead horse but why don't you search the overclockers forums and see how they jumper pins togehter using conductive paint. this potentially could be done with LAD2 and LAD3.
also my idea is to jumper to a small pad that can then solder to. i am NOT saying to trace form the suggested solder point to the pin. That would be more troubling than soldering. my half-baked idea is to trace away in the direction least obtrusive: once there install a small pad to use to jumper back to the pin.
When I used wires for the LPC rebuild, I didn't connect any of them on the top. On the bottom, LAD3 is in a VERY tight spot. So, I don't think you could really run the trace anywhere helpful there. I can't say for the top though. In any case, I just thought the bottom was easy enough. My friend and I just did each wire until we got it right. It took some time, but we nailed each one eventually. It was pretty obvious whether or not the wire was touching anything it shouldn't and also if the connection was decent. In all honesty though, I found the PCB to be 10 times easier. After I did my first mod using the PCB, I did the next 3 that way with great (and fast) results on each one. I can't see going back to the wires.burgan said:
Kowrip,
I am only noting this since someday you may need the info:
LAD2 has alternate point right next to it; a silver pen trace should easily reach it.
LAD3 also has a direct via to it.
Let me add that my problems came when I had to take the pcb of to check my solders; that is when i lost some traces and the poop hit the fan.
amyways i'll probably experiemt with this on my fried board. i ain't got nothing to lose.
I am only noting this since someday you may need the info:
LAD2 has alternate point right next to it; a silver pen trace should easily reach it.
LAD3 also has a direct via to it.
Let me add that my problems came when I had to take the pcb of to check my solders; that is when i lost some traces and the poop hit the fan.
amyways i'll probably experiemt with this on my fried board. i ain't got nothing to lose.
Let me know how it goes. Hopefully, I won't run into any problems with the PCB in the future. It really makes the LPC rebuild much easier. Running the 4 wires was NOT fun .... especially LAD2, which didn't even have a hole.burgan said:
Funny how I mention using a conductive pen as a "PATCH" tool not a installation tool and this guy goes nuts on it LOL. Dude tring to use a conductive pen for this purpose is just asking for a totally f**ked up board!
just a sidenote for people installing with solder...
check everything BEFORE plugging it back in, if you fcuk up the soldering (unless you REALLY f**k up), you can save it... finding out by turning it on wont however... you can suck excess soldr off a board, but you cant fix a blown chip/resistor... you can only replace it, and if you couldnt get the simple install right.. replacing a chip or resister...
*begs all newbies who havent soldered in their life, to let someone who CAN, do it*
check everything BEFORE plugging it back in, if you fcuk up the soldering (unless you REALLY f**k up), you can save it... finding out by turning it on wont however... you can suck excess soldr off a board, but you cant fix a blown chip/resistor... you can only replace it, and if you couldnt get the simple install right.. replacing a chip or resister...
*begs all newbies who havent soldered in their life, to let someone who CAN, do it*
Martin C
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All too true - I'm always urging people to do this as many problems cannot be recified once you've blown something or ripped a trace.
There are two kinds of people: Those who think they can do anything, and those who are more intelligent.
Martin
Back in business, I would recommend a bit of practice tho, I practiced on an old pcb, Its a delicate enough job as most pcb's aren't supposed to be hand soldered, that said, I believe anyone can do it with PRACTICE,Dont do it hung over like me, I had to stop, the dt's had me rattling the iron all over the place
I think Ill use a conductive pen next time(and hung over, theres a challenge)