Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives!?

y_T

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ATTN mods: I'm sorry if this is in the wrong forum, feel free to place this where you think it belongs. I am trying to be respectful and mature in this entire thread and I would greatly appreciate it if you would respect what I have to say.

On with the show. Okay, so the first time I installed my X3, I thought I had fried it because my install was less-than-beautiful. What had happened was the lead closest to the LPC input on the chip itself had burnt out.

I later learned that this was from metal to lead contact (or so I have heard it referred to as). I have a friend who works on an airforce base with access to very very high-tech soldering technology. He has graduated as a NASA certified solderer, a very rigorous course which has many exams where work is observed under a microscope. He is a complete expert to be brief.

Well he rebuilt my lead, NON-ghetto-wire style, redid my whole pin-header install, and epoxied over the newly repaired lead.

Here is the chip in question before and after repairs:

Before
http://www.aquafuze.com/xbox/sh*tty%20install/backside-chip-closeup.jpg

After



It worked like a charm for the past month or two, up until tonight...

Tonight after transporting my xbox to my friend's (where it worked properly), I bring it back home, set it up, and it starts fragging. "Uh-oh, that smell is deathly familiar..."

Sure enough, I open up my box to find this:





I cannot say how disappointing this is. I have always believed in the reputation of Xecuter, top of the line, definitely the most expensive and quality chip you can get, but so far I have been let down twice.

This fault confirms that the first time was infact not my fault and had nothing to do with a "sh*tty install." I have never heard of any type of burnt-lead issues like this with any other chip and I have heard very few stories about it from X3, but there are some.

I am wondering what can be done about my chip? As disappointed as I will be, I am probably going to have to ask my friend to do my a favor again, fix it up, and epoxy the WHOLE top of the chip to prevent further mishaps. I will definitely be paying him for his time, this time, but I cannot express how sad this situation is.

Should I take this up with the retailer I purchased it from? Can Team Xecuter do anything about this? Am I going to catch some kind of criticism on my install? Surely some will think this is my fault, but I guaruntee you, all precautions possible were taken this time around.

I'm really on the fence about this one and I don't know what to do. I enjoyed my chip while it worked, but this is the second time it has burnt out on me. Team Xecuter has a great reputation and I really don't want to turn to any other competitors because (a) I believe that there is no equal at this moment and (b) I would like to stay away from reflashing bios and different installs from other chips. I would like my xbox to work again, but I don't trust myself to work with this much lead, I hate asking my friend to do it again (even though I will be paying him and I'm sure he'll be glad to do it), and I definitely hate the idea of spending $50 to get another chip.

Please, in whatever way, try to point me in the right direction.

Thanks for your support and product,
Sean.
 

Hudson

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

I hope you insulated the alt 5v pin on the X3 like it says in the install instructions....it's usally leaving that exposed that causes that sorta problem.
 

y_T

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

How does one do that? Not following you on this one. I've probably done it anyways.
 

Hudson

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

On the top side of the X3 PCB (the side that faces down when it's installed) is a metal pin sticking out sideways on one corner which is where the alternate 5V supply is connected to on a v1.6 install. If that pin is left exposed when it's installed on a v1.0-v1.5 xbox, there's a chance it will short to the xbox main board and fry the 5v trace.

as it says in the install doc:

NOTE: Before fitting the chip to the pin header we recommend you tape up the alt 5v pin (top right just above the backup flash rom) to insulate against any possible shorts. You should always make sure you use a little diligence and common sense when toying with electrical components.
 

mattchew04

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

Dude u r deffinatly installing it wrong.
 
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BillyF

Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

FYI,

I cut the connector off the alt. 5v lead and put that on to the pin to insulate it.
 

y_T

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

I'm still upset because something so important is so vague in the guide. It also was not there when I used the install guide to do this.

Hudson said:
On the top side of the X3 PCB (the side that faces down when it's installed) is a metal pin sticking out sideways on one corner which is where the alternate 5V supply is connected to on a v1.6 install. If that pin is left exposed when it's installed on a v1.0-v1.5 xbox, there's a chance it will short to the xbox main board and fry the 5v trace.

as it says in the install doc:

NOTE: Before fitting the chip to the pin header we recommend you tape up the alt 5v pin (top right just above the backup flash rom) to insulate against any possible shorts. You should always make sure you use a little diligence and common sense when toying with electrical components.

Wow, this is the exact kind of reply I was expecting. I'm going to refrain from curse words because I don't want to turn this into a flamefest, but shut your mouth. I installed it just fine. Also, learn to spell before you give me criticism. I'm sorry, but people like this drive me insane. I took many painstaking measures to make sure and do this right (both times, even though the first was not that wonderful), and I don't think you're in the position to tell me I did something wrong.
mattchew04 said:
Dude u r deffinatly installing it wrong.
 

buddhainuk

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

I have never done any soldering before and got a new HD as well did the hole lot with in 45 min and another 20min to do the bois and put my Dshboard on.

I know its a bummer when its the 2nd time its happened.
 

yourM0M

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

the chip must not be seated correctly....either the pin header isnt sitting deep enough or too deep somehow.....the only thing i can imagine is that your shorting out from the mobo.....maybe from you moving the box the chip got misaligned, as in leaning down towards the board.....if your look at it sitting on the pinheader the oposite side from the ph may be touching the mobo? i dont know wut else to say......havent seen this happen but maybe twice on the forums so its definately and install issue....tape off the whole chip once u fix the trace again so you wont have any worries of it shorting out

one quick thing u havent modified the dvd-rom in anyway like the casing or the mounting?
 

sirshady420

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

Wow....I think I'm going to have to take my box back apart!!! I need to make sure that my 5v alternate is taped up!!! I can't remember if I did that or not!!!
 

yourM0M

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

sirshady420 said:
Wow....I think I'm going to have to take my box back apart!!! I need to make sure that my 5v alternate is taped up!!! I can't remember if I did that or not!!!
i never did...but i just dont give a fuuuuuck

and oh ya...i take my box with me to lan parties and such all the time....actually just rode with it in the car while playing on my portable lcd so i know the bitch is shaking around alot.....and still no burnt chip...hehe guess im just that good
 

total_ass

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

this was an issue a guy on x-s suffered. taping up the alt 5v pin is strongly recommended.
 

Bettosh

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

If you don’t find the cause of the problem, fixing the trace won’t solve your problem.
Usual causes are:
-DVD drive shorting the x3 with a wire install
-Alternate 5v shorting with the motherboard
-Short in the x3 control panel wires (the wire got squeezed by the port and are shorting with the shielding)
 

y_T

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

So, Xecuter, can YOU do anything for me? What might you suggest? Do I need to contact the retailer?
 

rasgal

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Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

y_T said:
So, Xecuter, can YOU do anything for me? What might you suggest? Do I need to contact the retailer?
contact your reseller or the easy way.

easy way: solder a wire to fix your mistake, and isolate the +5v pin!
look at the wires to the memory module check that they are not short circuiting.
 
Re: Very disappointed - Second X3 burnt out lead, what gives

I remeber reading something a while ago that that can also be caused by shorting out the wires going to the front panel switch, check that when screwing the controller ports down you didn't pinch a wire against the shielding, there was a site for a fix for that as well somewhere on these forums.
 

vgadjo

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Help Uncrippling xbox

help, ive got the 3 dumps from my nand but dont know what to do now, ive searched for secdata.bin but didnt find anything. here are my dumps. http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Q086ME6S
 

DrDillsill

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Save time and effort and just buy another 360. No point changing the codes over from one nand chip to the other. Too much hassle if you ask me :)
 

Onix1

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Re: Help Unbanning xbox

that would be too easy. lol. You got to get a new kv bin man.(unbanned)
look at this..
http://www.se7ensins.com/forums//topic/158196-unban-jtag-xbox-360-usb-coolshrimp/