What boots faster: Jasper (Phat) or Slim? Which is easier to mod?

[sofakng]

So... I ruined my Jasper (phat) but I'm thinking that I might want to try again so I'm just wondering two things:

1) What boots faster with RGH, a phat (Jasper) or Slim?

2) Which is easier to solder/mod? From the pictures it looks like the slim but I'm not sure.

Please don't respond with, "just pay somebody" because I want to try this for myself and I wanted a second console anyways so this is a good opportunity to buy one, etc.

 

[AMIT]

So... I ruined my Jasper (phat) but I'm thinking that I might want to try again so I'm just wondering two things:

1) What boots faster with RGH, a phat (Jasper) or Slim?

2) Which is easier to solder/mod? From the pictures it looks like the slim but I'm not sure.

Please don't respond with, "just pay somebody" because I want to try this for myself and I wanted a second console anyways so this is a good opportunity to buy one, etc.

From phat console ,as far i know Falcon is best for boot times !

but if i was you i want to get a Slim ,no RROD ,no overheating .slims take little bit longer time 5-30 sec !

and i would buy a RGH'ed ,no headache ,no worries !

 

[Icy-Tank]

As far as boot times, it really depends upon what you are using to do your RGH.

The low-loss double shielded cable may give better boot times than a standard cable.

Using the slim POST QSB and using the different lenghts can help get better boot times for others.

Me personally...I wouldn't go with anything but a Jasper/Slim for mine unless you are having the Falcon or other consoles profesionally reballed with 63/37 leaded solder.

People knock Xenons all the time, but I've had my personal one which has every BGA chip reballed with leaded solder longer than most people can keep a Jasper running.

 

[Martin C]

You mean you want a 3rd console after killing the 2nd one.

Both consoles require soldering to SMD components, which you need proper tools and skill. You're not going to get there overnight. I have a sticky called 'Practice Points' designed specifically for people like yourself who are too keen on getting their hands dirty on a working games console. Even with this available, the temptation to dive in is far too much.

Pay someone to do it. End of.

 

[sofakng]

How else do people learn if they always pay somebody to do it?

I apologize if my questions are annoying...

Anyways, it sounds like given the same wiring, etc, that a jasper will typically boot slightly faster?

 

[boob4me]

I find slims a little easier to solder, I dont use QSB's either

 

[Oggy]

I guess slims are the "easier" to a noob as there is less soldering involved around SMD components.

However, at the end of the day, if you cant solder, dont practice on a working games console.

 

[Mungus]

So... I ruined my Jasper (phat) but I'm thinking that I might want to try again so I'm just wondering two things:

1) What boots faster with RGH, a phat (Jasper) or Slim?

2) Which is easier to solder/mod? From the pictures it looks like the slim but I'm not sure.

Please don't respond with, "just pay somebody" because I want to try this for myself and I wanted a second console anyways so this is a good opportunity to buy one, etc.

When you say you ruined your Jasper what do you mean by this? Perhaps it can be fixed by a professional. Post some picts. You could alway sell it for parts

 

[asiangrafx]

if you can solder there really isn't much of a difference between a slim and a fat. The points are pretty much all the same.

 

[Urban Gamer]

I might be interested in this 'ruined' console...

Post some pics

 

[sofakng]

Here are some pictures of it:



I tried getting some solder into that hole and it wouldn't stick so I scraped a tiny bit into the hole and tried again to get solder to stick but it wouldn't.

Now when I plug in the console, the power brick stays orange but it won't turn on. (ie. the fans don't turn on or anything)

 

[Dark_Riku]

My Slim gets 3-10 second boot times. Varies of course. Depends on your preference too.

 

[bandit123]

why dont you learn how to fix this issue might give you a better understanding

 

[Martin C]

How else do people learn if they always pay somebody to do it?

I apologize if my questions are annoying...

It's a valid question. There are two ways of learning (for anyone wanting to learn ANYTHING):

1. Get someone to teach you.
2. Teach yourself.

The first option will cost you money, obviously. Learning to solder from someone who does it day in day out will teach you a lot about technique.

The second option requires patience, practice and more practice. I started soldering about 12 years ago and I'm still learning new techniques. So if you want to embark down this route, be prepared to practice A LOT.

Both options will require you to have the correct tools for the job:

Temperature controlled soldering iron (at least 50W max for top temperatures).
0.8mm /1 mm solder tips
0.8mm good quality solder
PCB flux paste
Desoldering braid
IPA/MEK for cleanup
angled SMD tweezers
Magnifier and light
Multimeter

If you don't have ALL of these items, don't even bother as you will be in a world of pain trying to get anything to work.

So, learning to solder is of course rewarding but you have to be prepared to put in the time, patience, practice and of course money to do the job successfully.

What's it to be? Buying all of the above and approx 3 months of practicing, or paying someone to do it?