Why is boot time so important to everyone?

[2liftheavy]

what are your thoughts, as to why boot time is so important to everyone?

I would be more concerned about it booting to dashboard vs not at all

I see many people are upset because theirs doesn't instant boot. Someone will buy one and say it doesn't work because they can't wait 30 seconds or so.
I'm fine even if mine boots in 1 minute, even 2 minutes. I can press the power button, go downstairs, grab some water and come back to see the dashboard

In reality, once the console is on, it's on. There is no difference from a console that instant boots vs one that boots in 1 minute
I don't think the instant boot will perform any better once it's on vs the 1 minute console, or even the 2 minute console

The only advantage i see is that the instant boot satisfies people who want instant gratification, those who want it now, who don't have the patience

What are you guys thoughts?

 

[nofeloniesyet]

what are your thoughts, as to why boot time is so important to everyone?

I would be more concerned about it booting to dashboard vs not at all

I see many people are upset because theirs doesn't instant boot. Someone will buy one and say it doesn't work because they can't wait 30 seconds or so.
I'm fine even if mine boots in 1 minute, even 2 minutes. I can press the power button, go downstairs, grab some water and come back to see the dashboard

In reality, once the console is on, it's on. There is no difference from a console that instant boots vs one that boots in 1 minute
I don't think the instant boot will perform any better once it's on vs the 1 minute console, or even the 2 minute console

The only advantage i see is that the instant boot satisfies people who want instant gratification, those who want it now, who don't have the patience

What are you guys thoughts?

from what ive seen doing manyyyy diff kinds of work throughout my life,gamers are some of the most impatient people i have ever met in my life tbh.lol. i guess they think lifes posed to be as fast paced as a call of duty game.im with you i can wait,although i have a jasper JTAG that instaboots every time......lol


buuuuuut with an awesome chip like cr4 on the market,why go cheaper and have sh*tty boots?

 

[skillet34]

what are your thoughts, as to why boot time is so important to everyone?

I would be more concerned about it booting to dashboard vs not at all

I see many people are upset because theirs doesn't instant boot. Someone will buy one and say it doesn't work because they can't wait 30 seconds or so.
I'm fine even if mine boots in 1 minute, even 2 minutes. I can press the power button, go downstairs, grab some water and come back to see the dashboard

In reality, once the console is on, it's on. There is no difference from a console that instant boots vs one that boots in 1 minute
I don't think the instant boot will perform any better once it's on vs the 1 minute console, or even the 2 minute console

The only advantage i see is that the instant boot satisfies people who want instant gratification, those who want it now, who don't have the patience

What are you guys thoughts?

If it takes the same amount of work and time to install a chip why not make it boot as quick as possible?

 

[frayed]

personally i prefer instant boot, why would you not?

has nothing to do with impatience or instant gratification

 

[2liftheavy]

from what ive seen doing manyyyy diff kinds of work throughout my life,gamers are some of the most impatient people i have ever met in my life tbh.lol. i guess they think lifes posed to be as fast paced as a call of duty game.im with you i can wait,although i have a jasper JTAG that instaboots every time......lol


buuuuuut with an awesome chip like cr4 on the market,why go cheaper and have sh*tty boots?

What do you consider a sh*tty boot?

 

[2liftheavy]

personally i prefer instant boot, why would you not?

has nothing to do with impatience or instant gratification

Yes, you prefer instant boot. If it didn't boot instantly, you would be upset, or bothered, wondering WTF?
People who prefer "instant" are people who want "instant" gratification...It's like people who want to lose weight. they want to lose it now, not later

You either have patience or you don't

When you want something instant, that would be considered impatient IMO

People prefer things for a reason. To prefer things to the way you want it. Wanting it now, is a characteristic of impatience

So yes, it does have something to do with impatience or instant gratification. If it doesn't, boot time wouldn't matter
Again, i'd be more concerned about it booting to dashboard vs not booting at all

 

[skillet34]

Yes, you prefer instant boot. If it didn't boot instantly, you would be upset, or bothered, wondering WTF?
People who prefer "instant" are people who want "instant" gratification...It's like people who want to lose weight. they want to lose it now, not later

You either have patience or you don't

When you want something instant, that would be considered impatient IMO

People prefer things for a reason. To prefer things to the way you want it. Wanting it now, is a characteristic of impatience

So yes, it does have something to do with impatience or instant gratification. If it doesn't, boot time wouldn't matter
Again, i'd be more concerned about it booting to dashboard vs not booting at all

I think its more having the box perform like stock. A mod so good its like it not there. Turns on normally. Taking pride in your work etc. Fast boots are a testament to that.

 

[nofeloniesyet]

What do you consider a sh*tty boot?

id say anything over 30 sec up to a minute is sh*tty,and if your gettin worse than that,either a sh*t install or just a stubborn board that needs a diff glitcher.

 

[2liftheavy]

If it takes the same amount of work and time to install a chip why not make it boot as quick as possible?

I'm fine with a 1 minute boot, even 2 minute. I have patience. I can do something while the console is booting
It's not really that hard to install, and it shouldn't take forever.
I assume you prefer to boot as quick as possible?

 

[2liftheavy]

id say anything over 30 sec up to a minute is sh*tty,and if your gettin worse than that,either a sh*t install or just a stubborn board that needs a diff glitcher.

sh*tty to a hardcore gamer who wants to play NOW

If it boots faster, does it give you an advantage while you're playing? Will games load faster etc..?

 

[nofeloniesyet]

sh*tty to a hardcore gamer who wants to play NOW

If it boots faster, does it give you an advantage while you're playing? Will games load faster etc..?

bare in mind when i said i consider that a sh*tty boot,im goin by what moooost of my customers would think.i can wait as well. and no,other than the good boot times theres absolutley no advantage.but as i said before,for what a good coolrunner 4 costs,why not get it and have instaboots anyway really?

 

[skillet34]

I'm fine with a 1 minute boot, even 2 minute. I have patience. I can do something while the console is booting
It's not really that hard to install, and it shouldn't take forever.
I assume you prefer to boot as quick as possible?

If I did the install then yes I want it to boot as quick as possible. There would be no reason for me not to with the chips we have had access to. R-JTAG CR3 pro, proto 1 /2 now the CR4 does phat and slim. Minimal tuning and really good results. With the CR4 even a crappy install seems to be booting good for people so....

 

[xzanox]

what are your thoughts, as to why boot time is so important to everyone?

I would be more concerned about it booting to dashboard vs not at all

I see many people are upset because theirs doesn't instant boot. Someone will buy one and say it doesn't work because they can't wait 30 seconds or so.
I'm fine even if mine boots in 1 minute, even 2 minutes. I can press the power button, go downstairs, grab some water and come back to see the dashboard

What are you guys thoughts?

My thought is, that saying "why is boot time so important to everyone", you imply that i find it "important" if my install boots quick, since i'm part of "everyone". This is not quite what I think or feel...

i think that if you have been modding (rgh) for a while and have installed various chips like CR rev a,b,c, cr3 lite/pro, slim proto etc etc, it took way more time to fine tune and get good boot times then at this moment with the cr4. Think of wire lenghts, wire routing, timing files etc.

I speak only for myself, but I think a lot of people can agree, that if you have been installing a chip and been fine tuning it for quite some time, it gives you the satisfaction of success when it boots as quick as possible. I think the modders who still feel a satisfactory sparkle when xell boots, are the modders who are ambitious and perfectionist when they try to let a console boot as fast as possible for their customers.

So my thought:
-important, not really, once it boots it runs
-satisfied customer, yes
-satisfied modder, yes
-feeling of success, yes
-upset when doesn't instaboots, not at all.
-grabbing some water while cod is already in the lobby, yes possible :tongue:

 

[gavin_darkglide]

The best reason to have an instaboot console, Children. They are more impatient, especially the ones with parents who impose time limits on their game playing activity. Does it have any importance, no. Now that being said, as an installer, I would rather install a cr-4 then a coolrunner rev c, but that is because as said, even a crappy install will boot. the other glitch chips can take a bit of work to get to work, and even then it can be unreliable. this is instant, so the customer feels better about the service you are offering.

 

[ablegepu]

If i am going to go through the time and trouble to make a nice clean install on a console I am going to put in the extra effort tuning it to boot as fast and consistent as it possibly can... That really all that needs to be said from any installer out there. you gonna slap a cr4 in there and make it look pretty but every time you turn it on it boots in 2,5,8,1,9,4,7,3,5,2??? I refuse to settle for those boot times with as far as TX has gone to perfect these chips.

 

[lyzanxia]

I prefer a instaboot, since I'm inpatient

 

[mrcw00]

I waited 5 hours for my sh*tty xenon to turn on... I think I'm patient XD.

 

[BL4K3Y]

This is the main reason behind the CR4.

It addresses issues regarding boot times on stubborn consoles (Falcon RGH2 was really annoying at times) and as an added bonus, it is universally compatible with phat and slim motherboards.

I don't care much for boot times on my personal consoles, but I make sure consoles I mod for my customers have the best possible boot times.

 

[RED IMPACT]

Why have cotton when you can have silk? Why wait when you can have it now?

Thing is, some folk are picky, some aren't. I don't mind a little wait but anything past 30 seconds and I start to get impatient lol

 

[Taijigamer2]

I agree with my fellow modders. I am not impatient, my personal console alway boots in under 30 secs but is not always instant due to a CPU solder joint issue ( jasper 2E fails), I can always make a drink while I wait. I think ur original question puts modders and end users in the same category. both parties want different things. end users want quick quality boot times because thats what the pay for. modders want quality installs because their reputation relies on it. as a modder, I'm a perfectionist. I take pride in my work. Which ever mod I do, I want it to be the smoothest, solid and reliable install I can do. With glitch hacking I measure this by boot time and consistency.