X3IR and MS dongle single IR eye

[Big_Whoopin]

The wiki is there and working today, don't know if there was a problem when you tried it. http://wiki-scene.com/wiki/index.php?title=Xbox_Hardwired_DVD_Dongle

The "DVD Dongle" is the IR receiver portion of the media center extender, the part you plug into a controller port. You'll see it opened up on the wiki page.

-Whoopin'

 

[lostout]

Struggling getting this working, so any help would be really appreciated. Big_Whoopin, I've read through what you have posted, and from what I pieced together, I came up with the attached image. I have used the relay etc that you posted links to, but it just won't work for me. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

So what does this allow you to do that you can't do with only the X3IR mod exactly?

 

[Poida^]

lostout, your diagram doesn't look a bit odd to me. There should be a transistor not a diode.

NeOnRaBbIt, the X3IR is not a dongle replacement. If you read its feature list, it has a different feature which allows you to turn ON and OFF the XBOX with the remote control as mod enabled or mod disabled.

By doing this, you merge the 2 functionalities of the products together to use one internal IR receiver.

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

All right, looks like I'm going to have to order some of those parts you listed, Whoopin, before I attempt this mod, and thanks for posting links to the components. Hopefully this goes well I would really like to use this feature, I just wish the tutorial on Wiki-Scene was written a bit clearer for those of us using the X3IR eye. Either way, I think I'll eventually figure it out. Wish me luck

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

...on the above linked Data Page, the top left pin is what would be soldered to the green wire input on the DVD Dongle, the lower left pin would be soldered to the green wire input on the controller port and either (or both if you want) of the pins on the right hand side would be soldered to the green wire coming from the motherboard. For the middle pair it doesn't matter which goes to the red wire and which goes to the port shell, just make sure the diode is mounted correctly.

Yeah.. I'm getting some mixed messages reading this, and what others have written. Would be really great if someone posted a schematic of what worked for this.. Is lostout's diagram correct? The diode there should work fine, Poida^, because the transistor was only needed to connect the ir eye to the dongle (if you have a Rev.A dongle board, but Rev.B should work fine with the diode according to Whoopin).

From what your saying though Whoopin, you performed it just like it was stated in the tutorial (wiki-scene tut), but looking at the data page, the layout in the relay looks a little different, and me, not knowing much about electronics, can't tell what's the same or not. Reading your explanation above would help... If I knew which image/diagram you were referring to.

So far, today I've got quite a bit done, I had time to solder the diode to the dongle and connect to one of the points on the x3ir main board indicated earlier by Whoopin. And I also soldered up the one point to the back of the controller port after taping it up and making sure there was no continuity between the port casing and the ground/case. So right now, I'm just waiting on figuring out how to wire up this relay properly

thought id mention.. the usb port on the programmer is delicate damn port got ripped off the contacts and with my soldering skills, i couldn't do much to resolve it.. that's another story though..

 

[Big_Whoopin]

Great timing that I happened to stop by here tonight! Whipped up a new image based on twistedsymphony's. Lostout was on the right track but didn't have his green points right. Sorry I didn't see that post earlier, hope he got it sorted out. Take a look at the new image I've attached and fire off any questions! NO = Normally Open and NC = Normally Closed. So the NC side (dongle) is normally attached unless the relay is energized by plugging in a controller, at which point the controller gets the connection.

I've now subscribed to this thread so hopefully I won't miss any more questions.

-Whoopin'

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

ok, great man Just to REALLY make sure now ( ), the relay you have there is in the same orientation as this (attachment) and the pins would be facing towards us. If not, let me know how to orient that image so that it would be as it should Sorry to nag, but I'm not all about trial and error when there's a possibility of losing an Xbox in the process

When I'm done, perhaps I can attempt to write a full blown tut on this, or edit that wiki page to include our work, or both. This is something doable for the average modder and looks like it has a nice result. I'll try working on this later this week.. School is the only thing in my way really, as I write this, 12:45AM, I've still got 2 lab reports to write up and I desperately need to study for my AP Calc BC test for tomorrow

 

[192_26]

I wished I used the relay you described in the couple of post above, instead I used a 4 pole relay for the dvd dongle, lucky the yellow wire is not used by the console.

 

[Mr_Footlong]

Hi folks, sorry to dig this up and sorry to deviate slightly off the exact topic in this thread but this is a similar subject to what I was about to post up. Basically I have been fitting X3IR's into Xbox's for ages but finally shelved my last Xbox for another Media Centre in the bedroom. Due to having a couple of X3IR's spare I decided to wire one into the Media Centre. I have it all plumbed in to an ATX harness so that I can change the main PSU whenever I want without hassle and it powers up the pc perfectly, as expected.

Basically, the ONLY issue that I have is with the actual IR sensor on the X3IR. I have always found it's range to not be too great and very directional, whereas the DVD dongle sensor is a fair bit better.

What I am getting at is, could I wire up a dongle to the the front of the media centre and wire it in to the X3IR controller board using the 3 wires for the original X3IR sensor(red, white, black)? Basically use the dvd dongle as the X3IR sensor for better reception. The X3IR is running off 5V, not 3.3V.

Any info or alternative sensors with better reception etc would be gratefully recieved.

Cheers,

Nick.

 

[Mr_Footlong]

Well, I split a dongle open and stuck the multimeter on the sensor, the image linked shows what I found:

http://www.ftaclan.net/clanftp/nick/misc/xboxirdongleposspins.jpg

What are the chances that I can literally take the black -, red + and white cables from the X3IR sensor and connect them to the negative, +5V and the sensor pin?

Sorry if being a nub, just asking and I just want to make the signal reception for the X3IR a lot better . No Xbox involved, just a ghetto 'Imon Inside'

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

6 Years Later...

Well I haven't touched my xbox in the past few years and I never got around to completing this mod, along with installing the x3cp/x3ir I purchased so long ago. With time comes wisdom, and I'm much better with these circuits than I once was. I'm not sure if anyone's still lurking around on these threads but if so, perhaps someone could lend a hand!

I finally got around to performing this mod and I must say its been giving me quite the headache. I have it wired up correctly ( I think! ) according to the the original guide on wiki-scene. The link up now seems to be missing most the tutorial but thank you archive.org. http://web.archive.org/web/20060721...iki/index.php?title=Xbox_Hardwired_DVD_Dongle

What works: The DVD remote is able to turn on and off the xbox using the X3IR mod.

What doesn't work: The DVD remote doesn't do anything else/Plugged in Controller doesn't function

I can hear the relay trip once I plug a controller into port 4 (the one I wired everything from) which I'm pretty sure is as expected. Which is a good thing, I know some portion is done correctly. Also, if a controller is plugged into that port, it doesn't operate.

Tomorrow I'm going to check my connections and post a few pics; maybe someone else can spot my flaw. For now, just want to see if anyone has any suggestions.

Thanks!

 

[192_26]

This is the guide I used for the relay and it worked well for me http://www.xbox-scene.com/articles/hardwire-dvd-dongle.php

I did use the diode method describe by sickmods that was mentioned in that link of yours. I also made sure the xbox controller ports was insulated from touching the cage of the xbox.

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

Thanks for the response 192_26. I'm glad some people still care about the original Xbox

The only thing different between our two installations is that I think mine simply uses less wires and a 5V relay instead of the 12V. As far as the controller port goes, I can assure that it is not grounding out and that it is properly insulated. I tested with my multimeter to confirm such, along with the points along the circuit I created to check for shorts.. As far as I can tell, I should be ok. I'm going to double/triple check everything though because it seems like I must be missing something.

I hear my relay trip once a controller is plugged in, and switches the other way when its unplugged, so I know that my relay is working properly. Is there anything else I can check to confirm that a particular part of the circuit is working as intended or not? Also, what could be the effects of one or the other diodes being reversed accidentally?

So as I said, I'm going to check my wiring again.. see if anything strikes me. Otherwise, let me know what I could try to determine the problem!

Oh and.. for reference.. here's the schematic I've been using:

I'm starting to realize.. perhaps this isn't the best thread to post in but oh well. I appreciate any response

 

[192_26]

Yeah I did notice the difference about the relay diagrams as yours only switches one line as for the one i used switches all of the usb lines. A diode going the wrong way may effect the ir signal not being used correctly. The only reason why i went for 4pdt relay casue it was the only ones i could source at the time. The link below that goes to my pictures may show you how I set up the relays. Also check to see if your using the write lines cause it sound like your relay was making the switch

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

A diode going the wrong way may effect the ir signal not being used correctly.

Which diode are you speaking of? The one on the relay or the one between the x3IR and dvd dongle ? I'm assuming the latter.. But in that case, I'm pretty sure its properly oriented. The positive/cathode side (with the white strip) going to the x3IR board, with the other going to the dvd dongle (bottom most IR pin; the one thats by itself). From what I've read.. this has worked. Otherwise, I don't think the X3IR functionality wouldn't be there.. If I forgot to mention. I can indeed turn on and off the xbox with the DVD remote, just can't use it normally or with a controller in that port.

and DAMN does your box look clean.. very impressive work! I always wanted an Xtender lol

 

[192_26]

Yes I am refering to the diode between the x3ir and the dongle as for the method i used there was no need for a diode to be attached to the relays. Sounds like the relay may not be functioning correctly. All i can think of the moment is to check the relay legs to see if the correnspond to the diagram that you are going by. Thankyou for the compliment about my xbox at lot of custom mods went into that thing and the thing about the xtender nothing but problems but it think that maybe due to mostly my sub rattling the connections loose over time.

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

Yes I am refering to the diode between the x3ir and the dongle as for the method i used there was no need for a diode to be attached to the relays. Sounds like the relay may not be functioning correctly. All i can think of the moment is to check the relay legs to see if the correnspond to the diagram that you are going by.

I know the relay is functioning. If i intentionally ground the controller port (ex touch the casing) I can hear the relay trip, which is what should happen.. I think. I also hear the relay trip if I plug a controller into or out of the port I wired it to (port 4), which is also normal function correct?

And I was never sure why that diode had to be across the inductor of the relay but I suppose I could try without that connection and see what happens. Originally when I set out to do this I put it all on a PCB board thinking that it would make things easier.. all my points are extremely cluttered and its a pain in the ass to get anything done now lol.

But I will take your advice and check the points on the relay to make sure everything's going to the right place again.. But I'm fairly certain already they are. I will post back again once I'm done.

 

[NeOnRaBbIt]

Ok so two nights ago, dongle mod aside, I just wanted to see how my old games worked.. and I'd be able to load them up, but 3-5 minutes in, they would freeze up. This happened regardless of the game, and even on some emulators. It would just freeze/hum to the last sound being played and only thing I could do is hit the power button to reset it.. I gave it a rest, and tonight (this morning) I start taking a look at it.. and now my box won't even boot up. I don't know if its any relation or not but that stupid 'recall' power adapter I got from MS doesn't even let me get power to the box anymore. I click the red reset button, and it fails every time. WHY?!? Before this happened I was able to boot up once or twice, but it kept freezing during the flubber animation. And now all of a sudden it won't even turn on. What do I do?! I feel like I'm at such a loss.. I spent all this time recently to put this thing back together.. and it just sh*ts on me. Great.

 

[192_26]

Either get a new power adapter or throw it aside and plug it directly into power. I have only come accross one of those recalled xboxs